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      I remember before I took a break from the boards about a year ago there was talk of this stuff that was thought to be able to "spot reduce"!!! I believe it was like an injectable fat burner...but I forgot what it was called???

      I have some pesky built up fat in the lower obliques that if i melted off would improve my physique to a WHOLE NOTHA LEVEL!!!

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      Yes. Let me look through my archives. It's on the tip of my tongue.

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      there have been alot of those come and go, i have never seen a good one. best thing would be hcg or gh and good diet


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      IVE SEEN TOPICAL FAT BURNERS...YOHIMBURN I THINK WAS ONE THAT WAS A CRAZE FOR A WHILE
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      This is an injectable. If not used carefully will leave sunken spots at the injection site. I'm trying to find it and can't. I'll keep looking. I'll get it sooner or later.

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      Quote Originally Posted by firstenrgy View Post
      This is an injectable. If not used carefully will leave sunken spots at the injection site. I'm trying to find it and can't. I'll keep looking. I'll get it sooner or later.
      Yea I remember wanting to get ahold of some...but all the stuff went down and I was off the boards for a while

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      Helios, theres an american version and a european version...

      has clen, yohimbe, a few other things...european version had nicotine in it too...

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      Quote Originally Posted by 6p6 View Post
      Helios, theres an american version and a european version...

      has clen, yohimbe, a few other things...european version had nicotine in it too...
      YEAH YEAH!!! THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to the stuff...sounded like a revolutionary concept to me! Anything wrong with it or does anyone have any experience using it????????????

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      Quote Originally Posted by 2-Swole View Post
      YEAH YEAH!!! THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to the stuff...sounded like a revolutionary concept to me! Anything wrong with it or does anyone have any experience using it????????????
      No... I'll get the name.

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      Quote Originally Posted by firstenrgy View Post
      No... I'll get the name.
      Oh i was talking about helios...were u talkin about somethin else bro????

      ...if there is something that can be spot injected to effectively burn fat in my lower back and obliques ill flip out that'd be tha shit!!!

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      was it the one Romano was talking about in MD a few years back? i think it was kynoselin? if that is the one you meant, i heard it didn't live up to the hype. you can get it through veterinary suppliers online if you want to try it out.
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      PGCL

      What is pgcl?

      A new drug that's 10 times more anabolic to muscle than Long-R3 IGF-1. It burns fat almost as well as DNP A few days on PGCL is like being 6 months on HGH and 1/20th the cost! To Summarize: PGCL is 10x more anabolic then IGF, and 100x stronger then PGF2 , 20x longer acting then PGF2 ,You lose fat like DNP with out the dangerous sides , Pumps muscles like IGF , Sheds water & bloat like Lasix , Site growth like Synthol , Get shredded in 2 weeks as if you have been on Winny and clen for months! All in record time! Transform your body before your eyes and at a low cost! Shoot it into GYNO and watch it melt away! A single shot reduced Gyno by 50%!! Save thousands of dollars in medical operation costs! No need to cycle it and its not a controlled drug!

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      google "Allbeef pgcl" he has a good write up on it about his duration and dose.


      Okay Bro's,

      Lets take some of the mystery out of IP's PGCL.

      First let me tell you that if you don't know, I have been a friend of IP
      now for many years. I also would have been equally willing to post
      negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to
      be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post
      and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
      territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
      methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The
      literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
      greatly helped by articles on ********** and Mesomorphosis. You will note
      in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
      choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
      referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
      There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
      to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
      it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and
      dosages in males.

      IP's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg.

      THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the
      dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to
      moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed
      side by side to human growth hormone - somatropin - , PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times
      that of human growth hormone - somatropin - . One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as
      spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a
      pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by
      the drug. Now IP tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1
      amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the
      drug dirt cheap. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
      schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup
      schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However,
      if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
      frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
      UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
      if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
      a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
      yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
      of your baby to-be.

      THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
      with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
      volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
      rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
      locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right.
      You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be
      like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to
      split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately
      37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store
      to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye
      Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. IP has you buying
      distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done.
      I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for
      bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water.
      Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't
      noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4
      cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately
      40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that
      has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air
      dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water.
      Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break
      easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder
      to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and
      you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it.
      Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes
      with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg
      amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
      recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.

      STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
      However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
      solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
      keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
      challenge.

      SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
      time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
      have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
      you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
      between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
      the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
      nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
      with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
      whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
      injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
      This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
      repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand.
      You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I
      never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.

      THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
      inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was
      available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
      necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
      times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
      day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
      shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
      order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
      work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
      injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the ter
      stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
      lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
      you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots,
      3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
      of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
      literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
      anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON
      WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
      afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
      make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
      shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )

      THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
      locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and
      workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6
      days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my
      chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about
      the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually
      hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to
      the guty may be a mute point as the s going to roll ( or slip out of
      you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug
      remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced
      nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle
      over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great
      pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or
      not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with
      shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
      sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
      injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
      identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
      the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
      shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's
      of drug with every inject session.

      WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't
      grow on cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my
      test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a
      level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it
      right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it
      and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I
      also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO
      insulin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on
      workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrine HCL preworkout and I have
      noticed a blunted effect of ephedrine since being on PGCL. I would say 30%
      less of a boost.

      THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above, I am not rotating muscles beyond
      the two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am
      only doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious
      to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself.

      ************************************************** *******
      THE SIDE EFFECTS:

      Your experience may be different and my experiment may be dangerous for
      some MALES. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
      schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule
      and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it
      can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
      frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
      UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
      if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
      a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
      yourself, but I cannot see hopw you can in good conscience risk the health
      of your baby to-be.

      THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing
      shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to
      tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as
      with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly
      subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a
      smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some
      smooth muscle in my neck or possibly the lower windpipe to contract.
      Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close
      off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore.

      NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when
      the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting.
      I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was
      one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking.

      THE TER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one
      of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for
      diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting
      the dosages I used. The drug causes spontaneous abortions in females
      through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to
      spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as,
      your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better,
      it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have
      my pants ( at work ) if I did not have a toilet readily available. The good
      news is ( despite a puckered , LOL ) you develop a tolerance and it
      becomes a fairly easy thing to manage, but how many times can you admit
      to your family in a week period, you have the runs? Seems a little weird!!

      BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when
      people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In
      my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3 - 36.9
      degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled
      to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it
      appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of
      blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to
      the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive
      shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea.
      Just speculation as is all of this report.

      SITE PAIN / MUSCLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with injection,
      soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me
      from working that muscle or re-hitting the site.

      CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every
      day once or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from
      diarrhea and diuresis.

      BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th
      inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe
      and needle around with my non-dominant hand.

      ************************************************** *******

      THE RESULTS:

      WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was
      also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of
      the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch.

      ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep
      measurement post workout of the arms. About 18 to 19 inches with the
      muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did
      you think I would be??? bigger than most!!

      HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I
      would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo
      effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not
      have any effect on libido.

      PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING

      What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
      emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
      calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets
      of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if
      not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict
      dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs
      when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in
      addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to
      not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there
      is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or
      "killing" ) of fat cells that one reads about from prostoglandins I can't
      tell. I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my
      metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound
      weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absorbtion that I
      have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make
      weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5
      pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it,
      LOL, but that first shot/ was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff.
      I would certainly consider gatoraid/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if
      in fact, we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There
      is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this
      be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia? But is it
      anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I
      have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in
      men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears
      that any negative effects subsided with discontinuation of the drug.
      Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the
      ter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to
      be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My
      intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then
      take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp
      package for $250 from China and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2
      month bridging cycle between steroid use. IP tells me he may bring this
      price down and both he and the remailers will be stocking up on PGCL in
      the next couple weeks.


      IN SUMMARY: I have done dnp - dinitrophenol - and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It
      was probably the most frightening experience along with just the
      discomfort from heat. dnp - dinitrophenol - is nasty stuff and frommy perspective the kind
      of stuff physiologically that if you show up in the ER with serious side
      effects, they aren't going to have a clue other than ice packs as to how
      to treat you. In other words they are as apt to turn the negative effects
      up as much as turn them down. It wouldn't surprise me if death occurs
      occaissionally with dnp - dinitrophenol - use. I have used as much as 700ius of human growth hormone - somatropin - over a
      few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it came at a significant
      price.

      No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more
      than base test, and without human growth hormone - somatropin - . It is cool stuff in that you can
      painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manite muscle size all
      within a matter of days.

      I do not know if the muscle swelling will occur in people with little or
      no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids, there won't be much of a
      size increase without mass.

      Well did I seem biased??? I hope not!! I am IP's friend, but money has
      never motivated me to compromise Truth. In fact I paid full price for the
      product which is extremely rare for me. This is all subjective and in the
      end I only hope I have just provided some helpful information that will
      allow you to safely experiment with this very unique drug. For God's
      sake people, do you realize I am reporting all this after only 5 days or
      2-3 amps 1mg - 1.5 mg PGCL. I will give you the full, blow to blow,
      through 5 more amps so that this is not just some great beginning followed
      up without an ending reported.


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      PGCL honestly sounds like about the baddest shit ever!!! I mean think about it.
      1) can spot reduce...basically for someone like me I could knock out the little bit of oblique and lower back fat and have a SUPERIOR V-TAPER!!!
      2) while id be loosing fat I would be GAINING MUSCLE AND COULD JACK UP MY ARMS BY POSSIBLY A WHOLE INCH!!!!

      Well im not sold yet...i mean am i the only one who thinks this just sounds to good to be true???

      It honestly sounds like everything I am looking for here!!!...who knows though maybe it will do all this??? I REALLY wish there were more people who have used it!!! ...and I don't mind being a human pin-cushion, but the explosive diarreah!!!...is it UNCONTROLABLE??? because if I was at school or at my job and was ...errr shitting myself im pretty sure that it would suck!!!

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      PGCL honestly sounds like about the baddest shit ever!!! I mean think about it.
      1) can spot reduce...basically for someone like me I could knock out the little bit of oblique and lower back fat and have a SUPERIOR V-TAPER!!!
      2) while id be loosing fat I would be GAINING MUSCLE AND COULD JACK UP MY ARMS BY POSSIBLY A WHOLE INCH!!!!

      Well im not sold yet...i mean am i the only one who thinks this just sounds to good to be true???

      It honestly sounds like everything I am looking for here!!!...who knows though maybe it will do all this??? I REALLY wish there were more people who have used it!!! ...and I don't mind being a human pin-cushion, but the explosive diarreah!!!...is it UNCONTROLABLE??? because if I was at school or at my job and was ...errr shitting myself im pretty sure that it would suck!!!

      2-Swole
      lmao!!! ya think?...i'd like to here from more peep's before i tried it. i'm not into the whole guiney pig thing!
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