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      First cycle with L-dex. I know liquidex reduces water retention but does it reduce muscle gain. I just finished a deca400mg and test E 750mg cycle and my strength is through the roof but I am only up 15 #. Although I am not a vet this ain't my first rodeo and my diet is good I am getting 4000 calories a day which is a chore in itself. Every cycle I have done has been deca and test, 2 a year for the last 2 1/2 years. This one I raised the test from 500mg and expected more. I also started 50mg winstol ED on week 7 to continue through week 12. I am 5'11" and just under 200# with a 14% bf. so I know I am nowhere near topping out. Can a body get used to the same cycle over and over. Should I try sust and EQ next time? It has not been a failure my gains are solid and my bench is up 75#!
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      l-dex = Anastrozole
      Anastrozole will decrease your igf-1 production , so it will reduce a little muscle gain and so does nolva and Aromasin only Letrozole and Femara (same thing) will increase your igf-1 production.

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      i never knew aromasin reduced igf-1 levels!!

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      Aromasin (exemestane) is in a class of it's own, it is a aromatase inactivator...It actually renders estrogen receptors useless. Instead of just inhibiting production, it cuts off production. Aromasin can effective prevent about 90-95% of estrogen conversion. A negative aspect of Aromasin is that it decreases IGF-1 levels by about 23-24%

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      23%!! what about arimidex??

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      and onother thing, blocking 90-95 % of all estrogens conversion is just too much in my opinion, because you need some estrogen to grow and from a little estrogen you won't bloat.

      I would say only use it if you're bloated or got gyno signs and you want to do something about it.

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      Arimidex (anastrozole) (aromatase inhibitor)is a compound that can inhibit around 75% of estrogen conversion if taken properly. Someone on the board (I'm not sure who it was) said as a rule of thumb, use at least 25mg per 250mg of test per week...arimidex is also found in liquid forms like liquidex...Liquidex is anastrozole powder mixed with glycerin. There are a few different kinds of liquidex coming from different suppliers some are higher concentrations of arimidex per ml...others have added ingredients to enhance the absorbtion. Liquidex is much cheaper then arimidex in the tablet form....Studies have shown that arimidex decreases IGF-1 levels by around 18%

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      anybody knows the percentage of loss of igf1 by using arimidex?? and how come femara increases it?? i heard that femara should always be followed by another anti e....

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      I just post about arimidex before you asked for the second time.
      Femara (letrozole) is another compound that may be useful ...Femara is another aromatase inhibitor...that actually icreases IGF-1 levels by 24%...If used correctly, Femara can effectively inhibit about 80% of estrogen conversion. Femara also stimulates serum LH...I've yet to try femara, but I've heard that 1/2 a 2.5mg pill ed is an effective dose for moderate doses of test (I'm not sure about this...I'm just reporting what I heard.

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      but should femara be followed by another anti e as i heard because of the rebound effect?? and does femara mess up ur lipid profile like arimidex??

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      plus that i heard that aromasin is the most potent anti e and its used by the pro;s...

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      Femera doesn't have a rebound effect, Nolva does have a rebound effect, after you use Nolva you can use some proviron to cover the rebound effect.
      Nolvadex is actually an anti-estrogen that can be useful if symtoms of gyno appear...A problem with nolvadex it supresses estrogen, but then when nolvadex use is discontinued, there is a rebound effect....if you need to use nolvadex, it's a good idea to run it until you start clomid therapy or add proviron after discontinuing use to off set the rebound. Nolvadex also decreases IGF-1 levels by about 25% so it will effect your gains to some extent.

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      so ur saying that femara is the best gain wise?? i always thought it was aromasin... if what ur saying is true that would be great cuz femara is cheaper than aromasin!!

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      If you want to prevent estrogens then Aromasin will be the best, because it blocks 90-95% and Femerea 80%
      And yes for gains Femera is the best, but mg per mg Aromasin is cheaper because you need 25mg aromasin and 2,5 mg Femera, but in real life you will pay less for a femera cycle then a aromasin cycle.

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      but how is femara with ur lipid profile??

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