back thickness/width

[youngN]

Tweetid like to get a wider,thicker back. I do, deads, lat pulldowns, pull ups, bb rows, db rows, t bar rows. what exercises would provide me in the long run with a thicker wider back. Also im aware of the tons of ways deads are performed, which do yall think works the best for size

[Skarhead]

TweetDeads... bro u're on the right track as those are the best exercises for back... you can use rack chins as that worked great for mass for me. .. Keep gettng stronger on those lifts (especially deads) and get your protein in and you'll have a huge back

[Evil Ryu]

TweetThose are all great exercises for a back workout. IMO wider grip isn't always better for back exercises.

[youngN]

Tweettrue, ive heard about partial deads, are those just as good as conventional deads?

[Evil Ryu]

TweetPartial deads focus more on just your back whereas if you were to due a full deadlift you would incorporate your legs as well as your back. The way I do partial deadlifts is by lowering the bar only to about mid-shin level and then going back up, its basically almost a full deadlift only with constant tension so its not really a partial deadlift. The true deadlift requires that you actually remove tension by momentarily lowering the bar to the floor. Some people do quarter deads which basically involves setting up a power rack so that the bar only moves a very short distance, from full upright position to the bar lowering down to your knee or just above it. You can use alot more weight doing these than regular deads, but IMO regular is better. You wouldn't do partial benches would you? So why do partial deads. If you do regular deads I would not recommend bouncing off the floor. It doesn't help you move more weight and is dangerous. In fact I tried it a few times and I found I do less weight because it throws my groove off. THE ALMIGHTY DEADLIFT, the most basic of all exercises. Place bar on floor, grab and lift till an upright position. It doesn't get any more basic and simple than that and yet you'll see people all the time doing funky things with this basic exercise. Man I really am bored LOL! I hope that answered your question

[Skarhead]

Tweetrack deads will help the upper part of your deads. So if u're stuck at the top, it's a good exercise to do... They are not as taxing as a regular dead

[Skarhead]

TweetOh btw, same applies to the bench Ryu... doing a board press or rack lock outs you will be able to do more weight at the top, thus beating ur sticking point at the top. so you WOULD watn to do it..


psh... BB-ers

[Skarhead]

Tweetoh and ur D/L form wasnt that in depth theres much more to it than that

[Evil Ryu]

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oh and ur D/L form wasnt that in depth theres much more to it than that

Yeah you're right there is more to it.

[Evil Ryu]

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Oh btw, same applies to the bench Ryu... doing a board press or rack lock outs you will be able to do more weight at the top, thus beating ur sticking point at the top. so you WOULD watn to do it..


psh... BB-ers

If youngN's goal is for strength, then that would be one way of increasing strength. Lets say youngN is trying to build a better quality physique. Then IMO doing a partial exercise would not be that beneficial. I see this guy at the gym with his buddy doing bench presses with 6-7 45 plates on each side and they literally move the bar about 1/8 of an inch. Now heres the thing, these guys are huge. I'm talkin at least 250 a piece. Now for the best part, they have flapjack pecs, a belly and no type of muscular shape, but they are huge. I guess what i'm tryin to get at is constantly training just for strength doesn't lead to a better physique. True, the stronger a muscle the bigger, but bigger isn't always better if you don't look better for it. I'd rather get a full range of motion on all my excercises and build up my strength slowly. That way I will know i'm getting the most out of the exercise and not short changing the full development of a muscle group just to move more weight. Strength will come no matter what, as long as you keep TRYIN to move more weight, but that doesn't necessarily mean you have to give up doing an exercise with a full range of motion. I went from deadlifting 95 lbs. to deadliftin 405 for reps in my 4 years of bodybuilding. I only weigh 165 lbs at the moment. I'm into bodybuildin, so when I started working out it was to improve the look of my physique and in the process my strength went up without me ever really focusin on just movin more weight. I know that everyone has different goals so i'm not saying my way is neccesarily right, this is just my opinion.

[Skarhead]

Tweet^Yes it does... Maybe those guys dont have good genetics to have shapely physiques, ma ybe they don't diet to get them either.

- You're not going to jeopardize the development of the muscle by doing a partial exercise either. Total BULLSHIT

IT'S NOT SHORT CHANGING IT!!!!!!- Like I said if he is dead lifting and he has troulbe LOCKING out at the top or he is benching and has trouble AT THE top what do you think will help him get stronger? It's strengthening an exercise to get the "full ranged one" bigger.

You're a good guy Ryu and and i think we've all done it but dont speak about something you dont know that much about.

Commend you on 405 deads at 165 good #s

[Evil Ryu]

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^Yes it does... Maybe those guys dont have good genetics to have shapely physiques, ma ybe they don't diet to get them either.

- You're not going to jeopardize the development of the muscle by doing a partial exercise either. Total BULLSHIT

IT'S NOT SHORT CHANGING IT!!!!!!- Like I said if he is dead lifting and he has troulbe LOCKING out at the top or he is benching and has trouble AT THE top what do you think will help him get stronger? It's strengthening an exercise to get the "full ranged one" bigger.

You're a good guy Ryu and and i think we've all done it but dont speak about something you dont know that much about.

Commend you on 405 deads at 165 good #s

What don't I know that much about?

[youngN]

TweetTHanks both of yall answers helped alot. It makes since that partial deads would help at stickin points, i dont really have a problem lockin out but i seem to still feel my whole back work, i guess what im gettin at is doing doing deads to abot the shit incorporate what a conv. dead would minus legs and some hips? I mean i do both ive jus always kinda wondered if there is real size benifit to the partials

[Skarhead]

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What don't I know that much about?

doing partial exercises and their use in lifting

[T-Man007]

TweetAs far as back goes I think you have the core exercises. IMO all you need to do is deads, bb rows and pull ups. You can varry each of these exercises with grip and poundage to change the stimulas. The biggest thing about trying to train a muscle you want to grow is to make sure you don't overtrain it. Also, if you train to increase your poundage on these exercises then you will simultaneously lay down more fiber. Hence, more muscle mass. You are not going to fing a guy who does 225 or more on bb rows with a weak back. Well, if he does it with good form that is. Work your butt off to get stronger and stronger at deads, bb rows (prone and supinated grip), and pull ups (prone and supinated grips). If you do 1-2 gut busting sets for each of thest exercises your back WILL grow. Just look at Dorian Yates, he did one working set for every exercise. That's it. However, it was one super high intensity gut busting set. You send the right message to the muscle on the first set, you don't need anymore. 2 sets should deffinately send the message to the muscle.