DNP Info

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TweetDNP IS DANGEROUS STUFF. I WOULDNT DO IT AND WOULD ADVISE OTHERS NOT TO AS WELL. (grabbed these from pheednos site)
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Dnitrophenol--a dangerous doping agent]

[Article in Norwegian]

Sand P, Madsen S.

Humana Medisinske Senter Postboks 63 1300 Sandvika.

BACKGROUND: Performance-enhancing drugs are frequently used by bodybuilders: anabolic steroids, growth hormone and insulin, only to mention a few. Many little known drugs are also used. MATERIAL AND METHODS: Two men aged 20 and 32 years, both active bodybuilders, complained about lassitude and malaise. Clinical and laboratory evaluation revealed an unusual cause of their complaints. RESULTS: Laboratory investigation showed very low serum levels of free thyroxin and thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), suggesting central depression of thyroid function. Both men then admitted taking dinitrophenol (approximately 5 mg/kg bodyweight/day) to "burn fat" before body-building competitions. INTERPRETATION: Doctors should be aware that bodybuilders might use dinitrophenol. This toxic compound has severe metabolic effects. Overdose may cause hyperpyrexia and death. Use should be strongly discouraged.

Publication Types:
Case Reports

PMID: 12098904 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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TweetMitochondrial coupling in vivo in mouse skeletal muscle.

Marcinek DJ, Schenkman KA, Ciesielski WA, Conley KE.

Department of Radiology, University of Washington Medical Center, Seattle, WA 98195, USA. dmarc@u.washington.edu

The coupling of mitochondrial ATP synthesis and oxygen consumption (ratio of ATP and oxygen fluxes, P/O) plays a central role in cellular bioenergetics. Reduced P/O values are associated with mitochondrial pathologies that can lead to reduced capacity for ATP synthesis and tissue degeneration. Previous work found a wide range of values for P/O in normal mitochondria. To measure mitochondrial coupling under physiological conditions, we have developed a procedure for determining the P/O of skeletal muscle in vivo. This technique measures ATPase and oxygen consumption rates during ischemia with 31P magnetic resonance and optical spectroscopy, respectively. This novel approach allows the independent quantitative measurement of ATPase and oxygen flux rates in intact tissue. The quantitative measurement of oxygen consumption is made possible by our ability to independently measure the saturations of hemoglobin (Hb) and myoglobin (Mb) from optical spectra. Our results indicate that the P/O in skeletal muscle of the mouse hindlimb measured in vivo is 2.16 +/- 0.24. The theoretical P/O for resting muscle is 2.33. Systemic treatment with 2,4-dinitrophenol to partially uncouple mitochondria does not affect the ATPase rate in the mouse hindlimb but nearly doubles the rate of oxygen consumption, reducing in vivo P/O to 1.37 +/- 0.22. These results indicate that only a small fraction of the oxygen consumption in resting mouse skeletal muscle is nonphosphorylating under physiological conditions, suggesting that mitochondria are more tightly coupled than previously thought.

PMID: 14522819 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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TweetRole of ATP in the sensitivity to heat and the induction of apoptosis in mammalian cells.

Miyazaki N, Kurihara K, Nakano H, Shinohara K.

Tokyo Metropolitan Industrial Technology Research Institute, Komazawa Office, 2-11-1, Fukazawa, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-0081, Japan. miyazaki.noriyuki@iri.metro.toyko.jp

Heat-induced cell death and apoptosis were studied with respect to intracellular ATP. Studies on the relationship between hyperthermic cell-killing at 44 degrees C and cellular ATP levels in four cell lines grown as monolayers and six cell lines grown in suspension showed good correlations between cellular ATP levels and the sensitivity to heat. D(0) values (the dose required to reduce survival in the linear portion of the response by 63%) linearly increased with an increase in cellular ATP levels. No such changes in sensitivity to heat were observed between the cells cultured at different cell densities, regardless of the change in the cellular ATP level. These results suggest that cellular intrinsic ability to supply ATP rather than the level of pooled ATP per se is responsible for the thermal response. Heat-induced apoptosis in L5178Y cells was observed following treatment at 42 degrees C for 70 min, 44 degrees C for 20 min or 47 degrees C for 3 min, which corresponded to surviving fractions of 25, 0.6 and 0.8%, respectively, but not at 47 degrees C for 20 min, indicating that mild heat shock induced apoptosis. 2-deoxyglucose (2DG) and 2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP) increased the sensitivity to heat and affected the mode of cell death. Cells treated with 2DG and DNP (2DG/DNP) were heated at 42 degrees C for 20 min, and then incubated at 37 degrees C for up to 2h in the presence or absence of 2DG/DNP. In the absence of 2DG/DNP, the cellular ATP level recovered to 76% of the control level and DNA ladder formation was observed, whereas in the presence of 2DG/DNP, the cellular ATP level was further decreased (3-7% of the control) and no DNA fragmentation was detected. These results suggest that the inhibition of ATP synthesis is closely associated with the enhancement of sensitivity to heat and that ATP is required for the induction of apoptosis.

PMID: 12079587 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Tweet2,4-Dinitrophenol pharmacologically promotes retinal detachment in rabbits.

Deen A, Benner JD, Kramer T, Bassichis-Saland K, Purohit A, Steidl SM.

Department of Ophthalmology, University of Maryland, Baltimore, USA.

PURPOSE: The most difficult and unpredictable step of macular translocation surgery is creating the retinal detachment. The authors evaluated the efficacy of 2,4-dinitrophenol (2,4-DNP) to promote retinal detachment in the rabbit. METHODS: A vitrectomy was performed in each eye of a Dutch-belted rabbit. One eye was injected with 0.1 cc of a 5 mmol/L 2,4-DNP, the other eye with 0.1 cc of BSS+. After 30 minutes, the minimum aspiration pressure required to visibly elevate the retina was recorded. Four nonvitrectomized eyes received an intravitreal injection of either 0.1 cc of BSS+ or 5 mmol/L 2,4-DNP, and were enucleated and fixated for histopathologic examination. RESULTS: In the 12 masked eyes, the mean aspiration pressure decreased from 217 +/- 20 mmHg in the six BSS+ eyes to 117 +/- 20 mmHg in the six 2,4-DNP treated eyes (P = 0.0022). A retinal detachment was present in three of six masked and two of two unmasked 2,4-DNP treated eyes and none of eight BSS+ treated eyes. There was no short-term toxicity to the retina at the light microscope level. CONCLUSION: Intravitreal injection of 2,4-DNP reduced the retinal adhesive force by over 50% when compared to the BSS+ treated control eyes, without any short-term retinal toxicity.

PMID: 15805912 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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TweetProbing actomyosin interactions with 2,4-dinitrophenol.

Ribeiro AS, Salerno VP, Sorenson M.

Instituto de Bioquimica Medica, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, 21941-590 RJ, Brazil.

Access to different intermediates that follow ATP cleavage in the catalytic cycle of skeletal muscle actomyosin is a major goal of studies that aim toward an understanding of chemomechanical coupling in muscle contraction. 2,4-Dinitrophenol (DNP, 10(-2) M) inhibits muscle contraction, even though it accelerates the ATPase activity of isolated myosin. Here we used myosin subfragment 1 (S1), acto-S1 and mammalian skinned fibers to investigate the action of DNP in the presence of actin. DNP increases acto-S1 affinity and at the same time reduces the maximum rate of turnover as [actin]-->infinity. In skinned fibers, isometric force is reduced to the same extent (K0.5 approximately equal to 6 mM). Although actin activates Pi release from S1 at all DNP concentrations tested, the combination of enhanced S1 activity and reduced acto-S1 activity leads to a reduction in the ratio of these two rates by a factor of 30 at the highest DNP concentration tested. This effect is seen at low as well as at high actin concentrations and is less pronounced with the analog meta-nitrophenol (MNP), which does not inhibit the acto-S1 ATPase. Arrhenius plots for acto-S1 are parallel and linear between 5 and 30 degrees C, indicating no abrupt shifts in rate-limiting step with either DNP or MNP. Analysis of the reduction in isometric force with increasing Pi concentrations suggests that DNP and MNP stabilize weakly bound cross-bridges (AM.ADP.Pi). In addition, MNP (10(-2) M) increases the apparent affinity for Pi.

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TweetHere is also a compiled list of posts from DNP users (thanks skar),
https://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2949

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TweetIt was used early in the 20th century as a diet drug until health related issues came forward, mainly in women and mainly it was their vision or decrease of vision. I dunno I know alot of guys that have used it without problems but Ive only read about people getting hurt, I think its more dose dependant then anything else. Some people will do anything for their ideal body.

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TweetIve used it about 3 times in the past but I wouldnt touch it again, I was obsessed and irrational.

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TweetHOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

https://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

https://www.cyberiron.com/drugs/dinitrophenol.html reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don’t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you’re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

https://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

https://www.zymed.com/pdf/04-xxxx/04-8300.pdf A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

https://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know—it’s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as…2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas ****erson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out—DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure…"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it’s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer…fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it’s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity…"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP’s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates—or disrupts—cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol’ DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect…"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

https://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation © 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.

[Skarhead]

TweetHow to get the same effects as DNP w/o muscle loss: diet/cardio

people have died from DNP. I know there are safe ways to use it, but is it worth the risk to lose some fat?\

t3 i can see for contest prep, dnp i cant though

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TweetDNP IS MUSCLE SPARING YOU DONT LOSE ANY MUSCLE WHILE ON IT

[Skarhead]

Tweetreally? MWC(RIP) had a client who said he lost muscle and Im pretty sure 3vandoo said he lost muscle? I can find the thread, hang on

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TweetI would have to agree on the muscle loss, I didnt experience any muscle loss when I used it. I did break out in a real bad rash though last time. I dieted down and used it after dieting for about 2 months to strip off the last bit of fat and it worked extremely well.

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TweetIt may appear as muscle loss at first but it takes about 10 days from the last dosage for everything to show and for your muscles to fill back out.

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TweetSKARHEAD DUDE SERIOUSLY IM AT MY WITS END WITH YOU. YOU COME ON HERE ACT LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING AND PROVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS POSTED. HAVE YOU EVER ACTUALLY USED DNP NO HAVE YOU ACTUALLY EVER USED ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SPEAK FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES ON? BECAUSE ALL YOU EVER DO IS DRAG UP SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS POSTED. IVE USED DNP QUITE A FEW TIMES ON VERY STRICT DIETS AND AGAIN NOT DIETING AT ALL AND IVE NEVER LOST ANY MUSCLE MASS WHATSOEVER. DUDE JUST DONT COMMENT ON ANY OF MY POST UNTIL YOU GET SOME EXPERIENCE OF YOUR OWN