FIRST TIME GH USER

[FUZO]

TweetMY BROTHER INLAW IS GOING TO RUN GH FOR 6 MONTHS I TOLD HIM NOT TO RUN IT ALONE SO HE WANTS TO ADD JUST TEST AND HE WONT LISTEN TO ME SO EVERYONE PUT THERE 2 CENTS IN ON HOW MUCH TEST A WEEK HE SHOUD USE.HE JUSTS WANTS TO USE 250MG A WEEK.HE'S 44

[ssgeek]

TweetCycle experience? Stats? Goals?

[Skarhead]

Tweet250 wk sounds fine

[FUZO]

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Cycle experience? Stats? Goals?

CYCLES-O
EXPERIENCE-ALOT
GOALS-WHAT EVER HE DECIDES TO DO

JUST WANT A DOSE THAT HE CAN READ FROM EVERYONE SO HE CAN BE HAPPY.

[ssgeek]

TweetWell, if he's looking to use GH to aid in fat loss, he might want to consider 2iu's ED no Test. If he's looking to add LBM, 4iu's ED/500mg Test EW. He might want to consider running 20-25mcg's T3 along with GH, as exogenous GH lowers the body's natural production of thyroid hormone. I don't think that he "needs" anything more than that. I know a few bros who have run GH/Test cycles, and have seen good results.

[badasz32]

Tweethe can gain muscle at 250mg a week, i personally would go 400-500 if it was me. But he is older and probably has lower test levels then most of us. Also he has never ran test before. I would start at 3ius and then maybe bump it to 4.

[Equalizer]

Tweetyea he can gain at 250mg but doubling wouldnt put him at anymore risk i dont think but the results would be substantialy more profound.

[HungarianBeast]

Tweet400-500 of cyp or enanth a week. Not the full 6 months though unless he is not worried about permanent natural test suppresion.

[SMILEY FACE]

Tweettest at 250 mg a week is plenty for him and growth at 4 ius a day and 2ius in tha morning and 2 ius after gym...

i need his goals fuzo in order to give him my opinion......
for fat loss: clen and gh and t3 will do and no need for other shit and he is 44.
to be somehow big and cut: gh and test t3

he is gonna need some t3 with gh , coz once his body temp drops down(wt growth) he needs t3 for 4 weeks to put back up....

t3: start first week at 1 tb at 25 mcg and the next 2 weeks up to 2 tbs one morning and one before gym and then drop back down to 1 tb...

i hope i have answered his question...

[edvedr]

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he is gonna need some t3 with gh , coz once his body temp drops down(wt growth) he needs t3 for 4 weeks to put back up....

i was under this impression as well, i advised many people about this. then i was talking with goldenear from CF. he is probably the most knowledgable guy on the boards (at least one of them) when it comes to hgh and he says differently. here is our conversation. if u get a chance to go over to CF read this entire thread, great info!!
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Originally Posted by goldenear
Assuming that question was addressed to me...no I didn't. There is a strong "permissive" effect between hGH and thyroid activity, meaning thyroid activity is greatly enhanced in the presence of hGH. So running T3 with a normally functioning thyroid and hGH is asking for serious trouble. I experienced severe hyperthyroidism on just 2.4 IU's/day by day 9 or 10, so this stuff hits your physiology very quickly although you may not see the external benefits for several months. Thyroid storms are very frightening and I never want to re-live that experience...



ok now i'm a bit confused. i thought running hgh by itself will lead to hypothyroidism and then u need to apply t3 for a few days. what am i missing here?----edvedr

Originally Posted by goldenear
^^^What you're missing is the fact that the studies discussing thyroid interaction with hGH are testing TSH, not T3 or T4. TSH does fall because of the interaction between hGH and thyroid hormones. Because of this interaction, the pituitary reduces the secretion of TSH, probably due to a decreased release of TRH from the hypothalamus.

EVERY study that analyzes T3 during exo hGH dosing shows an increase. So hypothyroidism is impossible.



ok so how does this relate to hgh making you fatigued, and taking t3 to help combat that. is it the lower tsh levels that cause the fatigue and taking t3 helps raise those levels? or are you saying there is never a need for t3 ever during hgh cycle?----edvedr


Originally Posted by goldenear
^^^knew this was coming. I believe there is a strong correlation between serotonin and hGH. Serotonin is a biogenic amine and hGH greatly affects those (E & NE being the other two biggies). This is what is causing the sleepiness, not a drop in thyroid hormones. The pituitary releases both TSH & hGH, and since exo hGH reduces endogenous hGH secretions, it's not that surprising that TSH is reduced also. Check out the interaction between hGH and thyroid hormones and you will see they are closely inter-related. So there is no need to ever run T3 during hGH administration. Of course, you can if you want to, but it isn't necessary since T3 levels remain about the same.

[SMILEY FACE]

Tweetnever do taht..but as far as i know the best fat burner is: clen, gh and t3 stacked together....

[ssgeek]

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i need his goals fuzo in order to give him my opinion......

...zackly!