Why is Prop so good for cutting???

[dirtyluke1]

TweetIm plaaning to run a 8 week cutting cycle of tren/test i was gonna run prop but i hate the injection pain so i though og ethanate instead
what would be the advantages of running 8 weeks of tren at 100mg/day eod
with 150mg/day of prop eod as opposed to 500mg/week of ethanate??
Thanks Luke

[Stout1]

Tweetanswered you over at SM already

[mick-G]

TweetLess water retention, but i personally don't see much of a diff so i go for the long ester, for less pokes.

[jenergy]

Tweetim with mick...its just a diffenerce in esters. i think its because most poeple run it in cutters with tren they are both short ester so thats y people say its used to cut

[mick-G]

TweetIf i ever get to my next cycle ill be runnning the trenabol at the end with a long ester.

[badasz32]

Tweetless water retetion so u can see weight loss, I dont feel as puffy. on prop i feel tighter and harder but the pain sucks for the first few weeks. when u get use to the BA its not bad.

It makes it real conveinant to mix short esters with other short ester, and long with long.

[TSR1969]

Tweetluke i have run prop/tren a and enan/tren e, did not notice much differance either way, except 2 shots a week is much better than ed or eod. the nice thing, if you are going to use prop, is when you mix it with tren (or anything else really) it is not so painful as prop by itself, kind of like some guys who dilute prop with b12, stuff like that, so that it is not so concentrated (and painful)

[JsJs24]

TweetIt is a myth that prop causes less water retention. Esters do not change the drug but only the time the actual drug gets released.

[mick-G]

TweetI will find something on it. I know that i don't get as puffy on it.

[prolangtum]

TweetI also seem to hold less water with prop compared to other esters. There has to be something to that, but off hand Im not sure.

[mick-G]

TweetHere you go. Its not a myth:

The main difference between propionate, cypionate, and enanthate is the respective duration of effect. In contrast to the long-acting enanthate and cypionate depot steroids, propionate has a distinctly lower duration of effect. The reader learns how long this time is from the package insert of the German Jenapharm GmbH for their compound "Testosteron Jenapharm" (see list with trade names): "Testosterone proprionate has a duration of effect of 1 to 2 days." An eye-catching difference, however, is that the athlete "draws" distinctly less water with propionate and visibly lower water retention occurs. Since propionate is quickly effective, often after only one or two days, the athlete experiences an increase of his training energy, a better pump, an increased appetite, and a slight strength gain. As an initial dose most athletes prefer a 50-100 mg injection. This offers two options: First, because of the rapid initial effect of the propionate-ester one can initiate a several week long steroid treatment with Testosterone Enanthate. Those who cannot wait until the depot steroids become effective inject 250 mg of Testosterone Enanthate and 50 mg of Testosterone propionate at the beginning of the treatment. After two days, when the effect of the propionates decreases, another 50 mg ampule is injected. Two days after that, the elevated testosterone level caused by the propionate begins to decrease. By that time, the effect of the enanthates in the body would be present; no further propionate injections would be necessary. Thus the athlete rapidly reaches and maintains a high testosterone level for a long time due to the depot testo. This, for example, is important for athletes who with Anadrol 50 over the six-week treatment have gained several pounds and would now like to switch to testosterone. Since Anadrol 50 begins its "breakdown" shortly after use of the compound is discontinued, a fast and elevated testosterone level is desirable.

The second option is to take propionate during the entire period of intake. This, however, requires a periodic injection every second day. Best results can be obtained with 50-100 mg per day or every second day. The athlete, as already mentioned, will experience visibly lower water retention than with the depot testosterones so that propionate is well liked by body builders who easily draw water with enanthate. A good stack for gaining muscle mass would be, for example, 100 mg Testosterone propionate every 2 days, 50 mg Winstrol Depot every 2 days, and 30 mg Dianabol/day. Propionate is mainly used in the preparation for a competition and used by female athletes. And in this phase, dieting is often combined with, testosterone to maintain muscle mass and muscle density at their maximum. Propionate has always proven effective in this regard since it fulfills these requirements while lowering possible water retention. This water retention can be tempered by using Nolvadex and Proviron.

I personally use ldex or aroma with proviron, when using a long ester like cypionate or enantate.

[JsJs24]

TweetMick-g that is not necessarily factual info. It might lead to one retaining less water but I think science speaks for itself. Too many articles written by MDs and Phds explain that it is the same drug (testosterone) and has the same effects. The only difference is when the testosterone is released. If I give you a IR (instant release) pain pill with morphine and a time release one do you think there are different effects from the 2 drugs? No, there is not. Morphine is morphine, and test is test. I believe that a lot of people think they retain less water because they are often times running prop during a cutting cycle in which AAS such as winny, eq, and/or fina are used which can drastically reduce the amount of water retained.

[stiles]

TweetWhile test is test, the pharmacokinetics of different esters are different. I doubt there is much difference with eod injections with prop if the half life is 4.5 days. I kinda question the information on half life that steroid sites use cause for example cyp is said to have a half life of 12 days on steroid sites but medical text list it's half life as 8 days.

This article sheds some lite on what I'm thinking is going on.

[mick-G]

TweetLol, Ok Js i knew a simple explanation would not suffice. I will try to get into more specific data. Yes, test is test, but there are reasons why the long esters retain more water. I will see if i can find the data. If i can remember correctly it does have something to do with the life of the esters and the depot effect causing more of an andorgenic effect on the body. I will try to get the scientific data. Of course it is not a significant difference, but it is a big reason many bber's will use the prop in cutting phase or comp.

[mick-G]

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