Keeping gains w/high androgens

[grimek]

TweetWhen checking out ratings for different AS it looks like the most potent gear for strength and mass like Anadrol or Test. Suspension get rated with very low numbers when it comes to keeping gains. When you use HCG and or Clomid post cycle do you effectively change the rating? In other words if you do a cycle of say just Dianabol and finish with Clomid would you keep almost all of the gain?

[PIT]

TweetNo. Not with D-Bol, But if you ran D-bol\Test\Deca then HCG or Clomid you would keep a good amount your gains assuming your diet and training would be perfect.

PIT

[grimek]

TweetWhat I'm wondering is if the high androgens that don't keep gains are that much of a benefit considering the higher side effects. If I do Deca or Equipose or Primobolan and I keep more of the gains, even if they are a bit less while on the cycle, what's the benefit of adding Dianabol or Anadrol? I'm sure there is a good reason because so many experenced bro's suggest it, I'm just asking what it is.

[superchicken]

Tweetwell, i hate that rating system, when i was a newbie i thought it was cool, in fact i walked through tijuana with that printed out in my hands as i shopped.

but it is VERY misleading.

for example, with dbol drol etc the keepable gains rating is very low, because most of the gains are water, and must dissapear when the drug is stopped.

also that rating system DOES NOT take into account the use of any post cycle therapy program.

this is why sust rates so much higher than test suispension on keepable gains. the reason for this is, assuming one used no clomid etc... if you stop sust, it will self taper down over 3 wks. if you stop taking test susp, it will taper down in 1-2 days, and youll crash HARD. (btw this is also one reason i think sust is so popular by word of mouth recomendation, back in the days everyone used sust cause they kept more gains from it than other forms of test, but we use clomid etc now....)

the use of post cycle meds, and also the use of anti e;s during cycles, wil TOTALLY change almost all of those ratings, in most of the categories including side effects.


also now your question, high androgen drugs you will always lose more agins than drugs that primarily cause growth by being very anabolic. the high androgens can cause increased strength and other temporary effects, while primarily anabolic ones like var primo eq, will plain and simply cause muscle growth and increased protein synthesis, which you pretty much keep very easily.

but an eq only cycle may get you 10 lbs and you keep 9, and a test only cycle may get you 20, and say you only kept 15(youll prob keep much more), you still end up ahead.

[bigjim33]

Tweetvery nice post superchicken

[grimek]

TweetThat was some very kick ass info. superchicken. You are da man!!

Gracias, bro.