Typical results?

[Orca]

TweetI have been on a cycle of
750mg TEST Cyp
300mg Deca

a week since mid January... I have worked out consistently and followed a pretty decent diet. here's whats bugging me.... I was 245 when I started this cycle.. I weighed 237 yesterday. I know I have lost SOME BF... but shouldn't I also be gaining some significant muscle weight? this is my 4th cycle and the first one I have ever LOST weight on.. I'm pretty sure my gear is legit... my balls shrunk, I broke out a little and I'm horny all the time.. all signs of good TEST. I'm lost... should I change my diet (mostly chicken and fish with some veggies and carbs) and/or my workout routine?
thanks,
~O~

[edvedr]

Tweetbe more specific with your diet. how many calories, carbs etc...

[SMILEY FACE]

Tweetcarbs and calories!!!!!!!!

[Orca]

Tweetthats tuff, I never really added them up... I can tell you I eat 4 or 5 times a day... with the bulk of it being meat. I eat 4lbs of chicken every 3 days... plus 10 cans a tuna a week. plus a few salads and cooked veggies.. ok, I think I see the problem, I need to work on a stricter diet don't I? I will do some searching, but if anyone has a diet suggestion for gaining muscle mass shoot me over a copy...
thanks,
~O~

[workinhard]

Tweethow much protein?????? no protein no grow!

[proxonetapimp]

Tweetmaybe ur overtraining ur ass... give it some rest man

[Orca]

TweetI drink maybe one shake a day, but I eat a LOT of meat so I assumed I was getting enough protein...

I did wonder about over training, I was hitting it twice a day for a while... but I have backed off some lately. shit, I think I am going to change up my whole workout and diet routine, get out of this rut and pump some new life back into my cycle...

[HungarianBeast]

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Originally posted by Orca
thats tuff, I never really added them up... I can tell you I eat 4 or 5 times a day... with the bulk of it being meat. I eat 4lbs of chicken every 3 days... plus 10 cans a tuna a week. plus a few salads and cooked veggies.. ok, I think I see the problem, I need to work on a stricter diet don't I? I will do some searching, but if anyone has a diet suggestion for gaining muscle mass shoot me over a copy...
thanks,
~O~

4 lbs of chicken e3d and 10 cans tuna ew is not that much protein. That is about 1.33 lbs chicken ed and 1.4 cans of tuna ed. You need to start throwing down the double burgers...two at a time. You are 237 lbs now. You need a lot of calories!

[Orca]

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Originally posted by HungarianBeast
You need to start throwing down the double burgers...!

haha... dude, that is sooo funny you said that, I JUST got done slamming a double whataburger... thanks for the advice... I'll start pounding more groceries!!!

[tyron14]

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Originally posted by Orca
thats tuff, I never really added them up... I can tell you I eat 4 or 5 times a day... with the bulk of it being meat. I eat 4lbs of chicken every 3 days... plus 10 cans a tuna a week. plus a few salads and cooked veggies.. ok, I think I see the problem, I need to work on a stricter diet don't I? I will do some searching, but if anyone has a diet suggestion for gaining muscle mass shoot me over a copy...
thanks,
~O~

Just my $0.02. Instead of making your diet stricter, I think the problem might be probably because your diet is _too_ strict. I did a (very imprecise) estimation of your daily caloric intake based on what you described:

Chicken: 1.33 lbs/day

P=189, F=21, C=0, Cal=994 (Protein, Fat, Carbs, Calories)

Tuna: 1.43 can/day

P=46.5, F=1.79, C=0, Cal=214

Salad/Veggies: (assume) 2 lbs/day (assuming it's all raw cabbage for simplicity)

P=13, F=0, C=52, Cal=234

That's a total daily food intake of:

P=248.5, F=22.79, C=52, Cal=1442(!)

You must have ate other stuff not described because the calculated caloric intake is very low. It's in the serious dieter's range. Since you're on test and deca, I guess it's a bulking cycle. I recall seeing a guideline that when you're bulking you should take 17~21 calories per pound of bodyweight, with a 30:50:20 P:C:F ratio (in calorie). Even using the low range you should take 237x17=4029 calories, which translates to 302g protein, 500g carbs, and 90g of fat per day.

Also, for deca, an excerpt from steroid profiles:

"......The same manufacturer, however, points out on the package insert that a positive nitrogen balance and the protein-building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. One should know this since, otherwise, satisfying results with Deca cannot be obtained...."

[71olds442]

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Originally posted by tyron14
Even using the low range you should take 237x17=4029 calories, which translates to 302g protein, 500g carbs, and 90g of fat per day.

i totally agree with TYRON. good post man! this calorie range is where you should be! that looks like a good balance of everything.

[HungarianBeast]

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Originally posted by Orca
haha... dude, that is sooo funny you said that, I JUST got done slamming a double whataburger... thanks for the advice... I'll start pounding more groceries!!!

whataburger...mmmmmmm. Are you down south?

[Orca]

TweetTyron...
WOW! awesome post bro... thanks! I will start making the necessary adjusments...

Attila.... Yup.. Florida, and the Bikinis are coming out in force! I LOVE this state!

[edvedr]

Tweeti agree with tyron as well. i never payed much attention to my diet except when i was cutting, and i had the same problem gaining. when i started adding up everything i was NOWHERE near where i thought i was or should be.

[tyron14]

TweetDitto here. I was in my 4th bulking cycle and had trouble gaining, until I made a food log and found out I need way more carbs and fat than I thought I was taking.