experienced aas users please help

[jsjs24]

My friend is wanting to start a cycle soon but I'm confused on what to tell him to do. He has some bad advice....sust eod wk1, winnie ed wk 2, something else wk 3, etc. I told him not to do that and that I would design him a cycle. Well, I have to consider that for the past year at least he has been prescribed 400mg cyp every other wk given to him by the doc on Fridays. His levels are naturally low, and with this treatment he said they are around 250. How much test will he need? He said he ran 200mg prop e3d and 400cyp e wk before and did not get any size...good strength though. Consider too that he is about 5'-7" 220 aprox. I think he may need to do a gram of test stacked with maybe 400-600 eq and dbol at the beginning. Also, what about pct...he is obviously shut down anyway and the doc is gonna just keep giving him the test shots so will it even do anything. Complicated situation imo. Any help is greatly appreciated.

[jsjs24]

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[nautica]

Kind of hard to read.
Why not break down line by line, what he is planning on doing and what your proposed cycle is. Then we can go from there.

Also, you said he is 5'7, 220 lbs. That could be really good or really bad. Be a little more specific.

Nautica

[Blackfoot]

5'7" and 220? If he ain't fat, he's already a big mofo. What are his goals?

[jsjs24]

Ok guys, my bad there. He is actually 5'-5" and 265lbs. His bf is 19.5%...he does lift regularly and is very strong but he has a big gut. He wants to lose the gut and keep the mass but have a lower bf. I told him he needs to get on a strict diet anddo regular cardio...about 4 times a wk at 20-30min sessions. As far as gear, I think something like this

wks 1-12 800 test cyp(since he gets 400 by the doc e2wks)
wks 1-4 test prop 100mg eod
wks 1-11 600mg eq
wks 8-14 50mg winnie ed

pct I have no idea because he is constantly on test cyp. His history for gear is mainly test only cycles...highest amount being 800mg a wk.

[JohnnyB]

Originally posted by Blackfoot
5'7" and 220? If he ain't fat, he's already a big mofo. What are his goals?

That's what I want to know, is he fat or not?

If he's getting 400mg e2w and his test levels are at 250 he's 10ng/dl over the lowest normal range. Which sounds like he's BSing you Bro. The body produces about 40-70mg a week or 80-140mg e2w, so he's getting almost 3 times that amount and he's still at the lowest end of the referance range, something doesn't add up.

You said he got stronger with his last cycle but didn't gain any size. It sounds like the gear was good but his diet was lacking.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

I don't think he need those high doses. 500 of test with a good diet. Should be where he start until he get rid of some of the b/f. That dose will maintain his lbm.

JohnnyB

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
I don't think he need those high doses. 500 of test with a good diet. Should be where he start until he get rid of some of the b/f. That dose will maintain his lbm.

JohnnyB

That's why I wanted the help Johnny...thanks bro. I was confused about dose, 1st I told him 500mg a wk but then realized that for well over a year now he has been taking 400mg cyp every other wk. So you think 500? I will take your advice and feed it to him. But what about pct? That's confusing me as well. It seems he would stay shut sown anyway.

[JohnnyB]

He won't need pct, he could run hcg through the cycle at 500iu 2X a week(sat and sun)would help keep the boy form athorpy. 500mg is 2.5 time what he's taking so that should be good, but his diet need to be in check.

JohnnyB

[6p6]

bump this is interesting....

....I don't believe any pct is in order except gyno issues so maybe nolvadex....

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by 6p6
bump this is interesting....

....I don't believe any pct is in order except gyno issues so maybe nolvadex....

Yea he definately will need to have some nolv around. And I didn't think pct would matter either, I just wasn't sure...it's a confusing situation. I still don't know what he should do as far as test dose. Johnny, you said 500mg test...well, that would be good but remember he gets that 400mg cyp shot every other friday. I was thinking this would be good:

wks 1-12 400mg cyp (since he gets 400 eowk anyway)
wks 1-14 400mg eq
wks 8-14 50mg winnie

By the way...he is 28 yrs old and has been on the test for close to 2 yrs. He wasn't for sure on the 250 level I stated but that's what he thought it was.

[JohnnyB]

I wouldn't run the eq passed the test, if he's on HRT his test should be the same or higher then the eq. If he runs the winny he can go 3 weeks passed the eq then go back to HRT doses.

JohnnyB

[jsjs24]

Ok so how about this

wks 1-12 test cyp 400mg every friday
wks 1-12 400mg eq
wks 9-15 50mg winnie ed

[JohnnyB]

Yup split into 2 doses a week on the eq and test

JohnnyB

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by JohnnyB
Yup split into 2 doses a week on the eq and test

JohnnyB

That's what I would do but he gets that 400mg cyp shot from the doc. He can't tell the doc to give him 200 ew. That's why I first thought 800mg cyp, so he could do it evenly. Whacha think Johnny?