Durabolin

[Faye]

TweetI'm talking about the shorter acting ester.

What is the usual dosing and frequency and duration that men run this?

How do you think it would stack with EQ?

Thx in advance.

[jack hust]

Tweeti have never used it but i belive it needs to be run eod like 400mg a week for men and it would stack with eq but they are very simalier to each other it would stack better with test

[jack hust]

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[Got Gear?]

TweetHi Faye,

Now someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Deca Durabolin(AKA nandrolone decanoate) is the most common form of Deca. It has a long acting ester and only needs to be injected once a week. Dose starts at approx 400mg/wk for newbies, and goes up from there.

Deca Phenylpropinate (AKA nandrolone phenylpropinate) is the only other common form of Deca that I am aware of. Deca pheynlpropinate has a sort acting ester and should really be injected EOD or E3D. Dose would be similar to that of Deca Durabolin.

[Faye]

TweetI'm talking about the phenyl. From my research I gathered that it needs to be dosed EOD or E3D, I just didn't know in what amounts. There just isn't alot of information out there on it.

[Got Gear?]

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Originally posted by Faye
I'm talking about the phenyl. From my research I gathered that it needs to be dosed EOD or E3D, I just didn't know in what amounts. There just isn't alot of information out there on it.

It's the same drug. The only thing that is different is the ester. The ester is what controlls how quickly the drug is released into the bloodstream. So what this means is that you would use the same dose...the only difference is that he'll have to do more injects of less drug.

Is this his 1st cycle? If he's fairly new to steroids and near the 200lb mark, I'd suggest he start at 500mg/wk.

[FUZO]

TweetJUST DO DECA

[Jay_Abbays]

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Originally posted by Got Gear?
It's the same drug. The only thing that is different is the ester............

That's the key.

Having that in mind ----

1) EQ is a long lasting ester - may not be the best combination (depending on your goals)

2) Test should be a part of this cycle.

[Faye]

TweetGot Gear ? - He is fairly new to steriods. He's done a couple of cycles many many years ago but never stacked anything. To be honest he hasn't really needed the help. He is 5'7" and about 165-170 lbs, 5-8% bf year round. 165-170 lb is light for him though, he had surgery to remove his gall bladder this summer and he lost about 10 lbs.

He is mostly interested in durabolin because the effect it has of easing joint pain. He knees and elbows hurt pretty often. He hit it very hard in the gym very young and while he looks fabulous his joints have suffered a great deal.
The reason he is interested in the phenylpropinate is because the longer ester sticks around in your system for so long (18 months for detection times, if I remember correctly).

[jack hust]

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[Faye]

TweetThanks for the bump Jack. I'm bumping my own thread in hope of some more feedback...

anyone,...,anyone,....,

[Jay_Abbays]

TweetI think the bottom line is - he can use deca (like norma with long lasting ester) or durabolin (same thing, but a shorter ester)

Regular deca might be a better choice if stacking with a long ester AS like EQ.


However, whether it's a long or short ester - it is always a good idea to stack deca with test. (On AR most of the people agree that deca shouldn't be run without test - there are lots of reasons for that - libido and natural test recovery are the most important)

It sounds like your friend is looking for a good bulker cycle.

Here's a classic bulker:

1 - 4 Dbol 30mg/day
1-13 Test E 500 mg/ week
1-12 Deca 400mg / week
16 - Clomid PCT
1- end of PCT - Nolva 20 or 10mg/day

[Jay_Abbays]

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Originally posted by Faye

The reason he is interested in the phenylpropinate is because the longer ester sticks around in your system for so long (18 months for detection times, if I remember correctly).

If detection time is an issue - then, neither deca nor eq should be a part of it.

Try a short cycle of test prop and durabolin both eod.

[Faye]

TweetGottcha...But let's me clairify a few things. Detection times are not an issue but neither of us like the idea of something that hangs out in your body at dectable levels for a year and a half. Next, he doesn't really need to bulk - he's pretty happy where he is as far as muscle goes, and he really doesn't want to mess around with test. I'll attach a pic so you can see for yourself.

He is interested in durabolin because of the side affect that it has of helping to relieve joint pain. Can anyone share their experiences on this?


Here is a pic...he's natty here.

[Jay_Abbays]

TweetThat's a catch 22 then

I wouldn't use deca or dura without test. (a lot of people got fucked up on that - not worth taking the risk)

that leaves you with EQ ----- however, it will stay in your system for a long time.

You can use glucosamine (sp???) for your joints.