D-Bol/Sust or Deca/Sust????????????

[Swole1Day?]

TweetHello Gents, this will be my 1'st cycle. My stats are 5"8", 185 lbs at 13 % bf. I've been training on and off for 5-6 years, my goal for this cycle is to obtain as much lean mass as possible(suprise, suprise hahahaha!!). In terms of diet, I'll be eating atlease 300 grams of protein and over 400 grams of carbs daily. I'll also be taking flax oil and drinking a gallon of water a day.

My question is, which stack would be best? And at what dosage? Remember this is my 1'st cycle and understand that Sust needs to be injected atlease twice a week? Or even better every EOD???

Also, from what I've read, D-Bol will "kick start" my cycle, but I'll lose MOST of my gains(since most of the gains is water weight) once I'm off. On the other hand, Deca won't give me that quick burst of strength, but I'll keep MORE of my gains for Deca than from D-Bol???

Of course I'll be using Clomid for PCT. And will use Milk thistle or ALA for kidney protection????

People please edjucate me........

[TheMudMan]

TweetSince this is your first I would use EQ over Deca. This way you don't have to worry about getting a anti-prolactin to use in the rare case you get progestrogen related gyno. I would also use a single estered test like cyp or enan.

1 - 12 SUS 750mg EOD or E3D or 1 - 12 Cyp 500mg
1 - 12 EQ 400mg
1 - 15 Nolva 10mg ED

Start PCT 3 weeks after last injection of SUS
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 11 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 12 - 21 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

[Madmax]

Tweeti think you should stay away from sust on this one...id run a longer acting ester like enathate or cyp...on my 1st cycle i ran d-bol, deca and test cyp and it worked out well...so if it was me id run it this way..MM

d-bol 30mg ed (1-4)
test 500mg (1-10)
deca 400mg (1-10)

[Skarn]

Tweet

Originally posted by Madmax
i think you should stay away from sust on this one...id run a longer acting ester like enathate or cyp...on my 1st cycle i ran d-bol, deca and test cyp and it worked out well...so if it was me id run it this way..MM

d-bol 30mg ed (1-4)
test 500mg (1-10)
deca 400mg (1-10)

Bingo! This is the classic beginners bulking cycle and I love it. I did this exact cycle for my 1st and loved it!

Skarn

[Swole1Day?]

TweetGentleman, I'd love to stack Test, Deca and D-bol together, but financially, I can only choose between one or the other. I'm gonna use test as the base of this cycle, but undecided between the Deca or D-Bol?

Also, I was told by many peeps at my gym that Sust is best because of less bloat compared to other test. And that I'll keep more gains of Sust than I would compared to other test???????????????

FYI, I'm not afraid of needles so I don't mind frequent injections at all. Thanks for the replys so far, anymore inputs Gents???

[Skarn]

TweetBetween Sust or Enth, go with the single ester...Enth.

You'd only have to do 2 shots a week as opposed to the EOD with Sust.

Either way you should use liquidex and that will combat the bloat.

You wont keep the gains any better from Sust than you would with Enth.

I also agree with going with dbol if you had to only choose one. Deca is expensive and dbol isn't.

Good luck bro!
Skarn

[orion76]

TweetOn my first cycle I gained 30lbs from 250mg enan and 200mg deca per week for 10 weeks.

If you are on a budget then perhaps you could try if low doses work for you first, it would save half your money.

For many first timers low doses work just fine. You can always try higher doses on your future cycles.

Just my humble 2cc's

[itchybag]

Tweeti think sust every 4 days , and 25-30mg of dbol/day would be a great starter cycle

[NeverSatisfied]

Tweeti'd go with test and dbol. dbol should be cheaper than deca also so it will help u if ur on a tight budget, but i guess that depends on ur source

[Swole1Day?]

TweetGents, thanks for replying. I think I'm gonna go with Test and D-Bol. But, is what's the difference between Ent and Cyp? Again, thanks Bro's.

[FUZO]

TweetTEST-DECA

[smalls]

TweetI would suggest the dbol test. I will never touch deca. There are so many other good choices out there, and I dont want to take the chance of being one of the ones it keeps shut down for a LONG time.

Dbol, test, especially if money is an issue.

[jack hust]

Tweetjust use eth or cyp which ever is cheaper for ya with the dbol

[Superstar]

TweetI would go with Test and Deca bro!! It works great and chances are you will get less bloading end results will be better. Yes it will be more expensive but you must think the more u pay the better result in the long run good luck

[Swole1Day?]

TweetMudman, why did you say to take Nolva week 1-15? I thought Nolva was only needed in case of Gyno symptoms and for PCT?

Also, I see some Bro's saying to use Nolva to combat bloat! Will Nolva help combat Bloat?