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      5"10 215ibs. bench 320. Body fat around 10-15. Have Sus. on the way. Should I pyramid, what dosages, weekly or twice a week, do I need anything else. 10 weeks or 8. Looking to put on 20lbs of rock. Any comments are welcome.

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      No need to pyramid. If it were me, I'd run it like this:

      750mg/Week Injecting on Mon/Wed/Fri
      Run it for 10-12 weeks.
      Maybe add some winny the second half of the cycle @ 50mg ED

      Be sure to use ldex. Have nolva on hand, yada, yada...
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      Welcome

      1. No need to pyramid.
      2. Will it be a test only cycle?
      3. Do you have your anti-e's and clomid?
      4. Have you fully researched every aspect to ensure you know what you're doing?

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      Originally posted by goliath.jr
      No need to pyramid. If it were me, I'd run it like this:

      750mg/Week Injecting on Mon/Wed/Fri
      Run it for 10-12 weeks.
      Maybe add some winny the second half of the cycle @ 50mg ED

      Be sure to use ldex. Have nolva on hand, yada, yada...

      I agree here, I think you could drop to 500mgs/wk and drop the winny and still be satisfied if this is your first. The winny however you would be happy with.
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      i agree with goliath jr.

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      As for the anti's and clomid. When do you add them to the cycle, or is it directly after. I have heard good and bad things about Sus. Mine should be very clean though.
      Pain is weakness leaving the body.
      Don't you dare put me on HRSA, does self abuse extend your hospital stay?

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      Anti-e's during and/or after depending on you and gyno. Clomid is for post-cycle therapy.

      I do believe though that you should wait until you have the proper knowledge on cycles and so forth. You couldn't be in a better place so consider yourself lucky

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      Originally posted by Aragorn
      Welcome

      1. No need to pyramid.
      2. Will it be a test only cycle?
      3. Do you have your anti-e's and clomid?
      4. Have you fully researched every aspect to ensure you know what you're doing?

      Aragorn

      DITTO, especially #4, sounds like you've got a fair bit of research to do before jumping into things.

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      Appreciate all of the info. I have fairly good knowledge, but thats what I'm here for. So some Sus. as a base and Winny to cut, clomid for the balls. Is gyno a big problem for 1st time users that don't use huge doses?
      Pain is weakness leaving the body.
      Don't you dare put me on HRSA, does self abuse extend your hospital stay?

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      Originally posted by gymrat
      Appreciate all of the info. I have fairly good knowledge, but thats what I'm here for. So some Sus. as a base and Winny to cut, clomid for the balls. Is gyno a big problem for 1st time users that don't use huge doses?
      Everyone is deifferent. You may be prone to it, mabe not. Liquidex will help keep bloat down, so it's a good idea anyway. Better safe than sorry.
      The burden of originality is one that most people don't want to accept. They'd rather sit in front of the TV and let that tell them what they are suppose to like, what they're suppose to buy, and what they're suppose to laugh at. You have Beavis and Butthead telling you what music you're allowed to like and not like, and you've got sitcoms that have canned laughter that lets you know when to laugh if you're too stupid to know when the joke is. People are too lazy and too stupid to think for themselves because America has raised them that way.

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      Question, I drink a lot of water, should I. And if I should, will drinking beer, flush out my goods. Whats the difference. Do anti estrogens work after symptoms of gyno. Back to the cycle, would you add something w/ the Sus.
      Pain is weakness leaving the body.
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      I agree with all the bros here.......I've been liftin for ten years......and been researching on a cycle for about six months and still don't have everything down yet. My advice........research research research! Your body will thank you for it.

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      I should achieve good result for my first time. However, which stack would be best for adding lean mass, with as little water weight as possible. Maybe I could get some 1st cycle testimonies.
      Pain is weakness leaving the body.
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      Originally posted by gymrat
      I have fairly good knowledge,
      gymrat,

      Good job of asking questions, you will have better success in the long run.

      This is not a flame, yet, once you have been doing this awhile and your knowledge increases ten fold due to research, you will see that this statement when compared to the questions clearly shows your knowledge is not good. Which, is not a problem we are all learning.

      Upper right hand corner is a search button, all of your questions can be answered there. Do a little searching, increase your knowledge then do a post with all your questions and you will get much more helpfull information.

      Again, not flaming, just pointing in the direction of a great first cycle.

      Good Luck

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      I don't think sus is a good first time test cycle, you need to inject eod to take advatage of the prop. Get some Cyp or Enan. JMO

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