First cycle pro-h (Transdermals) dosing questions and more!!

jplayer · 10-04-2003, 07:31 PM

Ok I ordered my first cycle
4 bottles of the 1-t/4ad transdermal from Legalgear.com
2 bottles of 6-oxo
I want to get some novaldex in case of gyno during cycle. suppossedly research kits sells a liquid version!! Is it the same thing????

Here is what I was thinking
week 1 -4
13 squirts per day of transdermal
one application(6.5 squirts) in the morning before work and one before bed
Post cycle
week 1
600mg 6oxo
week 2,3
400 mg
week 4
finish out last bottle using normal dosages

Ok here is my questions!!
1. Does the length of the cycle seem appropriate (4 weeks)
2. Does the dosages seem ok??
3. Does this seem like a good first cycle??

Also I am currently on a cutting cycle until december 1.
Should I use it during that or should I wait till I start bulking on december 1. I honestly would like to use it now to see how I respond and also save as much muscle loss as possible from being on cutting. If I respond well I was considering trying methyl 1 test with a 4ad trans or ethergel during bulking!!

THANKS!!

**majorguns** · 10-09-2003, 08:15 AM

research does sell a liquid version, but it is not liquidex, its the tamoxifen. not too sure on the pro-h cycle, bumb for new info

**NPursuit** · 10-09-2003, 11:05 AM

13 squirts? Are you mad?

jplayer · 10-09-2003, 11:16 AM

Im asking questions???? there was a FAQ on another board that when you looked at the daily recommedned doses and corresponded that to the serving size of the one I am getting 13 squirts seemed to be in line with everything???

**NPursuit** · 10-09-2003, 12:58 PM

Sorry I didn't see at the bottom you asked if the dosages were OK. You were probably looking at Avant Lab's product.

LGP 1-T + 6g 4AD - 240ml $55.95
4g 1-Test, 12g 4-AD total per product.

Is this what you picked up?

jplayer · 10-09-2003, 01:09 PM

This is the stuff I have ordered

https://legalgear.com/store/popup_ima...sCsid=osCsid=c'

**NPursuit** · 10-09-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by jplayer
This is the stuff I have ordered

https://legalgear.com/store/popup_ima...sCsid=osCsid=c'

Right same thing I posted above. I would go with 2-3 squirts a day since it's your first cycle. Maybe 4 if you are feeling brave.

To answer your other questions. Yes this is a good pick for a first cycle, and 4 weeks is a good length for your first cycle as well. Although if you aren't experiencing any bad side effects after 4 weeks you may want to think about running it for another 2.

jplayer · 10-09-2003, 03:18 PM

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!
DANG if I would have known that I wouldnt have needed to order 4 bottles like I did!! OH WELL!!! LOL

Btw what do I need to have on hand in case of side effects. Should I run 6-oxo along with it. I know this may effect some of teh water weight gains from the estro conversion but honestly the main reason I am using it right now is to preserve muscle mass while losing fat so that wouldnt bother me.
I hear people say to have novaldex on hand but I dont know where to get it?!?!??? Doesnt some of the places sell a liquid version.
Also if side do develop what dosage of what should I take???

Thanks!!!
Im looking to start in 4 weeks!!
As long as I have everything I need to keep it safe!!

Originally posted by NPursuit
Right same thing I posted above. I would go with 2-3 squirts a day since it's your first cycle. Maybe 4 if you are feeling brave.

To answer your other questions. Yes this is a good pick for a first cycle, and 4 weeks is a good length for your first cycle as well. Although if you aren't experiencing any bad side effects after 4 weeks you may want to think about running it for another 2.

**NPursuit** · 10-10-2003, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by jplayer
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!
DANG if I would have known that I wouldnt have needed to order 4 bottles like I did!! OH WELL!!! LOL

Btw what do I need to have on hand in case of side effects. Should I run 6-oxo along with it. I know this may effect some of teh water weight gains from the estro conversion but honestly the main reason I am using it right now is to preserve muscle mass while losing fat so that wouldnt bother me.
I hear people say to have novaldex on hand but I dont know where to get it?!?!??? Doesnt some of the places sell a liquid version.
Also if side do develop what dosage of what should I take???

Thanks!!!
Im looking to start in 4 weeks!!
As long as I have everything I need to keep it safe!!

I would have some Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. If you don't need it you can use it post cycle or use 60X0. I wouldn't run the 60X0 during your cycle. It may hinder your gains. You can get Nolvadex in liquid form and pum***ose.com or I believe powernutrition.net offers it in a flavored version.

If serious sides develop I would stop your cycle and start the post cycle regimen.

I wouldn't normally recommend this for a first cycle but since you are cutting you may want to look into T1 Pro instead. You want hold water from the 4-AD. T1 Pro consists of 10gs 1-Test & 5gs 4-AD. You can get it at powernutriton.net. Do some reading on it at anabolicminds.com. I love the stuff.

**str8swole** · 10-14-2003, 05:30 PM

jplayer.....i took a bottle of T-1 final from bdc nutrition. with two squirts a day it lasted me right at a month. then i took a bottle of 6 oxo for a month. no side effects at all. i saw some decent results, nothing huge. i gained around 5 pounds if i was you, i would go 4 weeks on the t-1, then 4 weeks on 6oxo, then repeat that with a little higher dosage. if i was to do it again i would add in another squirt or two. you just have to make sure that after youve rubbed it in that you dont sweat for at least an hour because you will lose some of the product.

**YellowJacket** · 10-14-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by str8swole
jplayer.....i took a bottle of T-1 final from bdc nutrition. with two squirts a day it lasted me right at a month. then i took a bottle of 6 oxo for a month. no side effects at all. i saw some decent results, nothing huge. i gained around 5 pounds if i was you, i would go 4 weeks on the t-1, then 4 weeks on 6oxo, then repeat that with a little higher dosage. if i was to do it again i would add in another squirt or two. you just have to make sure that after youve rubbed it in that you dont sweat for at least an hour because you will lose some of the product.

Good advice. The 'average' dose however for us 'responsible' adults who take it upon ourselves to dose properly, do 2 squirts, twice a day (4 total)

**str8swole** · 10-14-2003, 09:19 PM

yea 13 squirts a day is an incredible amount. who told you to do that??

**Shortyrock13** · 10-17-2003, 01:03 AM

wouldn't it just be cheaper to get real gear? if you want similar results to legal stuff just underdose the test or whatev. Prohormones have a rep for having a huge sides to benefits ratio

**Kreit2** · 10-17-2003, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Shortyrock13
wouldn't it just be cheaper to get real gear? if you want similar results to legal stuff just underdose the test or whatev. Prohormones have a rep for having a huge sides to benefits ratio

I dont think it'd be cheaper...and what are some of these sides u speak of?

**NPursuit** · 10-17-2003, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Shortyrock13
wouldn't it just be cheaper to get real gear? if you want similar results to legal stuff just underdose the test or whatev. Prohormones have a rep for having a huge sides to benefits ratio

I'll take 10-15 pounds in 4 weeks with no pinning, next to no sides, produced by reputable companies, and legal. With Methyl 1-test out I'll definitely never need to pin.

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