17-aa-1-Test..?

[deepinu]

TweetI have heard alot about this around another BB'ing board...And they are hyping this compound up to be 3x as strong as Trenbolone Acetate...Has anybody tried it? what do you make of it?

[Jarconis]

Tweetkiss your hair goodbye...

[Son]

TweetWho's making this? Are you talking about all the oral 1-tests that are supposed to bypass the liver, like 1-tu?

[Jarconis]

Tweetno no, its 1-test thats methylated, like dianabol.

[deepinu]

Tweetno not methylated its alkylated..and this shit is supposed to whup methyl-test' ass....im curious....but would like some positive feedback before i go splurging my hard earned cash

[spidey]

TweetDeepinu - "methylated" can be the same as "alkylated". An "alkyl" group is a general term in chemistry to describe linear or branch chain hydrocarbon groups like methyl, ethyl, propyl, etc. Methyl groups are by far the most common alkyl groups that are put on the 17 position of steroids.

As for 17-methyl-1-testosterone, I would want to see some liver toxicity reports before I tried it. Some steroids can become quite liver toxic when 17-alkylated. I don't know about it's legal status either (if that matters to you). It is no longer 1-testosterone; it is now an unnatural designer steroid. Since it is not produced in nature, I don't think the diet & supplement act of '94 will cover it. It may fall in the broadly defined catagory of other schedule III steroids as a "muscle building derivative of testosterone".

LOL, I wonder if it's illegal status (if it turns out to be illegal) will validate it as a "real" anabolic steroid to those who disdain 1-test.

[deepinu]

Tweetim sure its pretty liver toxic...but even said that this isnt a legal compound as it does not naturally occur...is it a steroid or a pro-hormone?...and the most important question overall is it effective as they say?

[spidey]

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Originally posted by deepinu
im sure its pretty liver toxic...but even said that this isnt a legal compound as it does not naturally occur...is it a steroid or a pro-hormone?...and the most important question overall is it effective as they say?

Like 1-test, 17-methyl-1-test is a steroid and not a prohormone.

People tend to lump 1-test with prohormones because of its legal status but in reality, 1-test is an active anabolic steroid in it's own right. It doesn't have to be converted to anything else (like prohormones).

The problem with 1-test is that its oral bioavailability sucks. Because it isn't 17-alkylated, most of it is destroyed by first pass liver degradation. Try drinking your test suspension and see how well that works. It will have the same problem.

Somebody obviously decided to fix that and created a 17-alkylated version of 1-test. That should fix the first pass degradation problem. I predict it will be quite androgenic and probably pretty anabolic. I think it may be liver toxic to the degree that the benefit doesn't justify the risk though.

[deepinu]

Tweetso in a nutshell.....this is basically methyl-test?.....and if so shouldnt be advertised as 3x stronger than tren acetate?

[bigfishe]

Tweetbump

[deepinu]

Tweetis my own thread...but i gotta bump for more info

[spidey]

TweetDamn, I wrote this long reply and it didn't post!

OK, the short version: 1-Test and normal test have very different properties. 1-Test has been evaluated in rat leviator muscle and ws found to be like twice as androgenic and 4 to 7 times as anabolic as normal test. Take that info with the apparent trend of 17-alkylation increasing androgenicity and either increasing or decreasing anabolicity and I expect 17-methyl-1-test to be one HELL of an androgen (good bye hair. Hello swollen prostate). It may be more anabolic than 1-test or it could be less. No way to know until it is measured.

For example: methyltest is more androgenic than test but not as anabolic. Methandrostenalone (17-methylboldenone) is more androgenic AND more anabolic than boldenone.

The 17 alkylation seems to increase the steroid's binding affinity for the androgen receptors (thus increasing androgenicity). I am not sure what governs or affects a compound's anabolicity.

The liver toxicity should definately be known before risking it IMO. You only have one liver and if you kill it, you kill yourself.

[trancedelt]

Tweetjust go transdermal, i felt that (1test with 4ad) more than test+deca...

[spidey]

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Originally posted by trancedelt
just go transdermal, i felt that (1test with 4ad) more than test+deca...

If you are going to go transdermal then there is no reason for the 17-alkylation. The 17-alkylation is a modification specifically designed to avoid first pass liver degradation and make a compound more bioavailable orally.

[deepinu]

Tweeti really wanna pull the trigger bad on this stuff...but @ $300/5 grams i dont want to be dissapointed..and i cant imagine that an alkylated pro-steroid would be as effective as the real McCoy....plus due to the fact that nobody has any testimonial of any actual results (good or bad) which leads me to believ nobody has really treid this shit...Its funny how on one board this is the compound of the century and then on the next nobody has even heard of it......think ill stay away and spend my doe on some a-bombs