Interesting theory on short cycles.

[StoneColdNTO]

All cycles should be no longer than 3 weeks in length.
This goes against conventional thinking but makes perfect sense. The greatest gains come when the receptors are fresh. Why not make the most of this precious "window of opportunity?" then get out and get clean. Naturally gains won't be massive due to the abbreviated cycle length, but remember, smaller gains are much easier to maintain. It doesn't matter if you put on 30 lbs if you lose 20 of them. But a gain of 6-7 lbs in three weeks......that the body can handle. Also, the shorter the cycle, the quicker the endocrine system can normalize.


Thoughts ?????

[Mike P.T.]

It does make sense. BUT! I seriously would not like the constant changes in my hormone levels every few weeks. It's a good feeling to be on than to come off than to go on back and forth. It would be annoying to me. Rather I would like a good period or phase when I am on ready to know what I can expect when on then when I can come off I can get ready for that phase as well and the months that lead to it. Besides, I went on for a longer time last cycle and recovered extremely fast afterwards, so PERSONALLY at least, shorter cycles are not for me.

[Drenten]

I love 3 week cycles. In fact, I love them so much that usually do 4 or 5 of them back to back.

Seriously, I think longer cycles with milder anabolics are better. It usually takes about three weeks for most of the injectable anabolics to really kick in and you would be ending your cycle just as they start to kick in.

I personally would rather spend more time under the anabolic curve.

Also, IMO most of the fast acting stuff (Tren, D-bol, Anadrol, Suspension, etc.) is really harsh on your system and should only be used to kick start a cycle.

It is an interesting theory though. I like unconventional thinking.

Anybody here ever try using short 3 or 4 week cycles?

[Mike P.T.]

Originally posted by Drenten
I love 3 week cycles. In fact, I love them so much that usually do 4 or 5 of them back to back.

Seriously, I think longer cycles with milder anabolics are better. It usually takes about three weeks for most of the injectable anabolics to really kick in and you would be ending your cycle just as they start to kick in.

I personally would rather spend more time under the anabolic curve.

Also, IMO most of the fast acting stuff (Tren, D-bol, Anadrol, Suspension, etc.) is really harsh on your system and should only be used to kick start a cycle.

It is an interesting theory though. I like unconventional thinking.

Anybody here ever try using short 3 or 4 week cycles?

Agreed!

BTW - realgains from elite is a big believer and user of the 2 week(not 3-4 week) cycles and he makes some good interesting points about it.

[Drveejay11]

Yep..........definitely intriguing

[goliath.jr]

It is an ongoing debate and the jury is still out. I'm prefer the longer duration at moderate doses. I don't buy the short cycle theory because at week 3 or 4 is when the drugs begin to saturate receptors and gains start really coming on. It is logical from a recovery point of view - but recovery can be equally swift if the correct drugs and intelligent post cycle therapy are used.

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by goliath.jr
It is an ongoing debate and the jury is still out. I'm prefer the longer duration at moderate doses. I don't buy the short cycle theory because at week 3 or 4 is when the drugs begin to saturate receptors and gains start really coming on. It is logical from a recovery point of view - but recovery can be equally swift if the correct drugs and intelligent post cycle therapy are used.

I hear ya!

[Drenten]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
the recepter theory has been proven bunk. there are a few studies, anyone care to post them? i will see if i can find them.

Bouncer, you lost me a little. What are you saying is bunk?

Do you mean that receptor attenuation or down regulation theory is bunk or do you mean that the slow build up of fully saturated receptors (3 weeks or so to kick in) is bunk?

[hhajdo]

http://mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/androgen-receptor-regulation.htm

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/androgen-receptors-01.htm

http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/haycock/androgen-receptors-02.htm

[Drveejay11]

Nice post HHajdo..............like my avatar???? LOL.........

[hhajdo]

Yes, it looks great.

[zap]

I have this Columbian friend that is an old school lifter. He trips out on all the reading I do on AS, training, supplements etc. He once told me that if I trained as much as I read, that I wouldn't need AS!

Anyway, he doesn't believe in front-loading or cleaning up after a cycle. He swears by three four week cycles back to back with a combination of different compounds.

Ex. Test Cyp 300 mg. & Deca 300 mg. for weeks 1-4
Test E 300 mg. & Deca 300 mg. for weeks 5-8
EQ 300 mg. & Winny 50 mg. ed for weeks 9-12

I've told him that test is test, and that he needs to use long acting esters for longer periods of time, and that he's waisting product by not taking clomid therapy to jump start his natty test, but he's about 40-50 lbs. heavier than I am so he just grins and shakes his head.

Any thoughts on this one?