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      I thought you all might get a kick out of this. This article was actually written by an M.D. from Harvard.

      Anabolic–Androgenic Steroids as a Gateway to Opioid Dependence

      To the Editor: Athletes who abuse anabolic–androgenic steroids may go on to abuse opioid agonist–antagonists such as nalbuphine1,2,3 or even classic opioids such as heroin.2,3 We studied this phenomenon among patients treated at Sunrise House, a private inpatient facility for substance-dependence treatment in northern New Jersey. Among 227 men admitted for dependence on heroin or other opioids in 1999, we found that 21 (9.3 percent) had a history of anabolic–androgenic steroid use. In contrast, among 197 men admitted for opioid dependence in 1990, only 1 (0.5 percent) reported prior use of anabolic–androgenic steroids (P<0.001 by two-tailed Fisher's exact test).

      None of the 21 men in 1999 reported any form of substance abuse or dependence before their use of anabolic–androgenic steroids. The mean (±SD) age at the time of their first use of anabolic–androgenic steroids was 20.9± 2.4 years and the age at the time of their first use of opioids was 27.0±4.0 years. The information they provided strongly suggests that they were introduced to opioids through anabolic–androgenic steroid use and the bodybuilding subculture: 17 of the 21 men (81 percent) first purchased opioids from the same drug dealer who had sold them anabolic–androgenic steroids; 14 (67 percent) were introduced to opioids by a fellow bodybuilder; 18 (86 percent) claimed that they first used opioids to counteract insomnia and irritability induced by anabolic–androgenic steroids; and 14 (67 percent) had used opioids to counteract depression associated with withdrawal from anabolic–androgenic steroids. All 21 of the men reported at least one of these four attributes.

      Demographically, these men appeared atypical for opioid users; they all lived in suburban New Jersey and reported a mean household income of $69,800 (range, $38,000 to $145,000). They reported serious associated morbidity. Since the time of their first use of opioids, 15 (71 percent) had been charged with possession of a controlled substance or prescription fraud; 5 (24 percent) had served time in prison, including 1 for attempted murder; and 7 (33 percent) had made at least one suicide attempt. In the 1 to 11 months since their discharge from Sunrise House, 17 (81 percent) have relapsed into opioid use, and 2 (10 percent) have committed suicide.

      These findings suggest an alarming trend: that anabolic–androgenic steroids may serve as "gateway" drugs to opioid dependence, with substantial associated morbidity and even mortality. Although our study cannot establish that anabolic–androgenic steroid use per se led to opioid dependence in these men, the data we report strongly suggest this interpretation. Alternatively, what we observed might be specific to our facility, but our facility is in a region not noted for unusually high rates of either anabolic–androgenic steroid use or opioid dependence. Progression from anabolic–androgenic steroid use to opioid dependence deserves further exploration as a public health problem.


      Drew Arvary
      Sunrise House
      Lafayette, NJ 07848


      Harrison G. Pope, Jr., M.D.
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      Now that is some bullshit. Some crackhead so called doctor thought since people that inject steroids are bound to inject heroin.

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      what a pile of bull shit!


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      Originally posted by nautica


      In the 1 to 11 months since their discharge from Sunrise House, 17 (81 percent) have relapsed into opioid use, and 2 (10 percent) have committed suicide.

      Sounds to me like this halfway house needs some serious revamping of its practices if 81% of its patients have relapsed and another 10% have killed themselves. Moral is that if you go there you have a 9% chance of making something out of your life.

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      It just goes to show you how numbers and statistics can be made to look good or bad in any case. You take this report and it looks like all of us are doomed to heroin. I bet if you look at the whole picture of people that have done steroids under 1% have then gone on to heroin. This so called doctor should have put all the facts in his report. No just what he found in some drug clinic.

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      yeah this is such BS, i only use heroine during my cutting cycles, i dont need it for bulking...lol


      what a joke, now i can say that i have officially heard it ALL

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      that md needs a good butt rapeing from an elephant for being such a dumd ass omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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      "They all lived in New Jersey" LMFAO.....There's the link bros!...Don't live in NJ and you will decrease your chances of becoming a junkie...It has nothing to do with roids...It has to do with NJ...still LMFAO

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      LOL...I remember that...thanks for digging it up

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      What makes this worse is that it was actually published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

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      Actually, I'm gonna go out on a limb here...I fully agree with that article.

      Its a well documented fact that any kind of drug use will in some cases lead to use with further substances...

      I never had an urge to smoke weed untill after I started drinking...I'm also going to admit that I have tried cocain once, and I dont think I ever would have tried it if I hadnt already experimented with pot or AAS.

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      now i agree with some of their findings, but their theory is way off base. i mean how many people do you know that are not bodybuilders that have used gear before. i know quite a few, they are people you would never even think they worked out.

      it is just ignorant to think that because a guy/girl wants to better theirself through gear, that they will become dependant on rec drugs.

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      Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
      Actually, I'm gonna go out on a limb here...I fully agree with that article.

      Its a well documented fact that any kind of drug use will in some cases lead to use with further substances...

      I never had an urge to smoke weed untill after I started drinking...I'm also going to admit that I have tried cocain once, and I dont think I ever would have tried it if I hadnt already experimented with pot or AAS.

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      But don't you think he went a little far by correlating AAS use and heroin addicts. True someone who uses drugs on a regular basis will experiment with almost anything including AAS. I am sure that almost all of the people in that clinic had used caffiene - but I did not see where he tried to correlate the 2 of them.

      Someone who truly wants to build there body and supplements with juice along the way - will most likely not become a heroin addict.

      even if 21 people in his group did.

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