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      Well I just read the article about which one is better for post cycle and I was totally surprised since everyone likes clomid. I was just wondering if anyone else thinks nolvadex is the best choice and what the dosage for that should be. Basskiller please put your input also about the dosage and other stuff even though I have read the article. THanks bro.

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      clomid

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      I also would like to know what you guys think about using both Nolva and Clomid. I remember there was a thread about it awhile back (not sure if it was on this board) but I would like to hear if you have done this or is it a waste? Thanx
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      I can't remember where I seen it. I don't want to do a search of "Clomid and Nolva" and sift through the threads all night. If anybody has any input it would be great.

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      There have been many post on this with no difinitive anwser.... I am currently on a cycle and will be using nolva for post cycle recovery and I am unsure as of yet on the dosages but I will post all info and results in my cycle diary
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      www.basskilleronline.com there is a good article entitled Nolvadex vs Clomid post cycle. Hope this helps

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      Great site! Thanx!
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      Does anyone know what the dosage would be for a post cycle with nolvadex?

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      This should help Bro.

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      Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions

      Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as well as some of the more experienced.

      Question: What is Clomid?

      Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by doctors to trigger ovulation in females.

      Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?

      Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production.

      Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?

      Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.

      Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?

      Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed to gyno. Arimidex, Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for this purpose.

      Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?

      Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

      Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.

      Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

      Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
      Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
      Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
      Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection
      Fina: 3 days after last injection
      Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
      Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
      Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
      Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
      Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
      Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
      Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

      Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.

      Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

      Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?

      Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.

      Question: How cheap is Clomid?

      Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15 pence and 75 pence in England).

      Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.

      Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so cheap, why risk not using it.
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      Not exactly the answer to the main question but just a little more info about Clomid,Any good info is always be benificial.
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      Default run clomid and nolva back to back..

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      I Do when i finish a 6 month cycle.
      I run 20mg nolva and 25mg proviron 2 weeks before last shot.
      I run the proviron and clomid throught the whole post cycle therapy. I only run clomid @ 50mg ed the last 2 weeks of my post therapy.
      The nolva and proviron and don't forget HCG do most of the work the clomid i use just to help out the last couple of week the nolva does most of what i need anyway...
      I just don't like the sides associated to clomid at high doses.
      I run all this for a total of a month and 1/2 for post therapy.
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