Is this bull s**t?

[whitetail]

Tweetread what doggcrapp says in this following thread about cycling 4weeks at high dose test then 2weeks at maintance dose while!!restore hpta. If you ran test at say 1 gram then dropped to 300mg wouldn't you still be completely shut down even if you ran clomid??


https://www.anabolicuniverse.com/foru...=&threadid=227[/URL]

[Small]

TweetAbsolute bs, I agree.

[scorpion]

Tweetneed a password to read that!!! cut and paste it

[rado]

Tweet

Originally posted by Small
Absolute bs, I agree.

yea, I smell BS too

[whitetail]

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Originally posted by scorpion
need a password to read that!!! cut and paste it

Read way down the bottom were it says this!
)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.


Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in San Diego--cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year (again) I came from a very very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago)so gains have never come easy and I didnt start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic) What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the endall super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much -these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug). (and gh if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks --then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)--and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this time)for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)---if you cant gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isnt going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro freind Ive had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737 undecylate in bulgaria



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I think there is a lot of wisdom in what you say. And, I agree about the risks and expense of getting "exotic" stuff when it is possible to just get two different kinds of implants, get two different kinds of experiment kits, and have all you really need in any quantity you need.


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Posts: 113 Posted: 2002-01-10 17:57

doggcrapp,
hey, in your example how many iu's x how many days should gh be run efficiently for?
When you said a gram or two of test thats weekly, right? If so, its too much for me, I would just need to adjust everything down to about 500-600 mgs of test and 75mgs fina eod. This does make alot of sense.
Tks



doggcrapp


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From: San Diego Posted: 2002-01-10 20:48

(asked previously)doggcrapp,
hey, in your example how many iu's x how many days should gh be run efficiently for?
When you said a gram or two of test thats weekly, right? If so, its too much for me, I would just need to adjust everything down to about 500-600 mgs of test and 75mgs fina eod. This does make alot of sense.
Tks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sorry bout that, I wrote that post quickly and I should of been a little more responsible with saying-those dosages are what I am seeing superheavies who have been around for a while doing. I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors...1)I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks
2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks(i only go down to 400grams or so) or I'll go crazy
3) I think its of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated hpta wise. If your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door...if you can keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo yo's..namely getting colds and flu's/injuries/depression/lack of aggresion and appetite (which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)...During the cruising period the 400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different routes) to homeostasis as possible.
As far as GH, I have never used it and I wish I could. But the cost is just too much for me at this time. From what I've witnessed short cycles will not do anything so unless I can run it for at least 6 months I am not going to bother. Opinions down here vary but most follow Milos's lead and do 5 days on 2 days off at 6IU's a day or 6 days on 4 off.

[whitetail]

Tweettheres no way your nuts are coming back when your on 400mg of test.

[lsu777]

Tweetthis is bs.

[whitetail]

TweetI have to admit i love his training program though.!!

[Juicemonkey101]

TweetI've read Doggcraps theory on Cruising extensivly.... I don't think full HPTA will be restored, but hell, IMO it wouldnt hurt to do it if you planned on not fully coming off for awhile....I was thinking of doing something similar to this awhile back, but then reconsidered and will just a 6-8 month cycle straight with HCG through out.... I think that will yeild better gains and better HPTA restoration in the end. JMO

I will say this though, While i don't completely agree with a lot of Doggcraps Theroies and training methods, i DO respect him a lot. You cant argue with success.

[whitetail]

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Originally posted by Juicemonkey101
I've read Doggcraps theory on Cruising extensivly.... I don't think full HPTA will be restored, but hell, IMO it wouldnt hurt to do it if you planned on not fully coming off for awhile....I was thinking of doing something similar to this awhile back, but then reconsidered and will just a 6-8 month cycle straight with HCG through out.... I think that will yeild better gains and better HPTA restoration in the end. JMO

I will say this though, While i don't completely agree with a lot of Doggcraps Theroies and training methods, i DO respect him a lot. You cant argue with success.

yeah im not flaming him, its just wat he says goes against what 99% preach.

[Doggcrapp]

TweetHmmm after scanning thru this board I see prolangtum and iced dont believe in much I have to say. Well sorry to dissapoint you but my theories are proving out and others who were so PROFOUND in their statements against it are looking damn stupid. Your opinion:So if someone who has low endo testosterone who is getting exog HRT at 200mg a week takes clomid, nolvadex and arimidex and hcg--it does absolutely nothing huh? No signals are being sent that could possibly help in regulation huh? I say bullshit!!! Prove it to me! And I dont want to hear about the MINTO studies--we know super supplements inhibit the HPTA and do it quickly but the Minto studies didnt use an antiestrogen or HCG protocol did it? Ive trained enough people now and have conducted the best online lab experiment ever to myself over the last year and a half. Ive trained mostly natural guys, some small term juicers and also guys who were using almost year round. Well guess what--ive seen or heard the lab reports from about 12-14 of these guys now. Unlike people who are chronically on cycle (and theres alot-many who even convince themselves that they arent) the enhanced people i train lab tests almost always come back in normal ranges. When i say "almost always" I mean i might have someone who was inhibited and didnt get his hpta back in check before I started training him. So HPTA signals are being sent even with 150 to 300mg of exog test in the body unlike people who do 16 week cycles and get off and they lose 20 of the 24 lbs they gained, are terribly depressed and the myriad of all other low testosterone symptoms for up to 2 months afterward. I see some others have some similiar theories as I do "L REA" etc and I laugh when I see people like on this board who are so bold, educated and "above it all" in their thinking--get made to look foolish. It pisses me off honestly--everyone was so against DC training at first--"it wont work forever" "it wont work at all etc etc" and now everyone has jumped on the bandwagon because the pictures are now all over the place and theres so many people who have gained 20-50lbs in this last year. The same was said about my different nutrition methods and now I see many using Olive oil and carb cuttoffs later in the day. People said the same thing about the extreme stretching--"its dangerous, youll tear something" and now people left and right are doing it. Well I train about 75% natural guys and 25% enhanced guys--Do you see anyone on the various boards saying "doggcrapp screwed me up"---? No because I am keeping them regulated HPTA wise --year round--as best as I can--so the problems that people have to cope with getting off arent so dramatically excruciating. People keep saying I advise "year round" cycling. When the fuck have I ever said that? I dont advise any cycling thats someones personal decision. The only thing I advise is if your choice is to be enhanced then you need to do a cruise period somewhere between week 4 and 8 so you can keep yourself regulated. If that means someone doing 6 weeks and a 2 week cruise and then 6 weeks again and a 2 week cruise and thats it for the year--then thats fine. If its for someone who does longterm cycling like alot of pros and top amateurs do then I feel thats the best way also. Again I dont advise someone to be enhanced, thats their choice--I just ask them if they have had problems in the past keeping muscle on them when getting off--along with colds flu's, lethargy, loss of appetite, loss of sex drive, joint pain--then give my method a try. Second of all to clarify a cruise is basically this

CLOMID:
DAY ONE 6 TABS
DAY TWO 5 TABS
DAY THREE 4 TABS
DAY FOUR 3 TABS
DAY FIVE THROUGH DAY FOURTEEN 2 TABS A DAY

ARIMIDEX: .50MG TO 1MG WITH 1MG BEING BETTER EITHER EVERY OTHER DAY OR EVERY DAY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING

NOLVADEX: 20MG A DAY FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CRUISING

A TESTOST LIKE PROP USED AT 50-100MG EVERY OTHER DAY (THE BEST WAY IS TO START AT 100 AND SLOWLY WEAN DOWN THRU THE CRUISING PERIOD TO 50 EVERY OTHER DAY)

OR IF HCG IS AVAILABLE TO YOU YOU WOULD START AT 100MG EOD OF prop TESTOST AND WEAN DOWN TO 50MG BY DAY 7-ROUGHLY 100 THEN 75 AND THEN 50MG FOR THAT FIRST WEEK----AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD USE HCG AT 1000 TO 1500 IUS EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF THE CRUISE (ANOTHER 7 TO 14 DAYS) (and yes i know the timing of hcg to clomid but in this concept this is the way to go)

And for you people who still think pros and top ams are going off and on--when is the last time you have seen a pro or top AM look smooth small and out of shape?????? Twenty guest posings, 15 appearances, magazine shoots and two contests a year (with each at least 12 week preps)--YOU TELL ME WHEN THE HELL THEY ARE GETTING OFF! Lets use someone like Gunther--ok he competed in the olympia in the fall and then roughly a month and a half later he won the GNC show--he was photographed almost every month since that time continually the last half year--guest posings--the Kevin Levrone race--Flex magazine shoots and is 330 and hard continually--well its almost July and Olympia prep starts up right now--so ask yourself when has Gunther been off in the last year? When will he be getting off?

[whitetail]

Tweetgood to have you here...whats your opinion on how i should come off my 1st cycle?
400mg/week total

250mgenanthate/wk 8weeks
150mgprop/wk 10weeks last 2 as taper untils enanthate clears

mon,wed,fri shots

i already have clomid,nolva,liquidex

[prolangtum]

TweetIf your going to stay on, cycling between periods of high and low doses is a good idea...........But, your kidding yourself if you think you restore your HPTA to any degree.......

[prolangtum]

TweetAlso, why feel the need to single out me? If you are so sure in your methods, then you wouldnt feel the need to defend them to every naysayer. I dare you to post how your HPTA recovers one iota over at cuttingedgemuscle.com. They will shoot it down in a heartbeat. I myself am staying on a year alternating between high and low doses, cutting and bulking, but i know i was shut down a long time ago, and no matter whagt i use, arimidex, clomid or nolvadex, there is no way to regain recovery without coming off, its pharmokinetically impossible.

[prolangtum]

TweetI do use his strecthing movements, they are affective. If someone is able to get enough intensity, im sure his workouts are great, I tried them for a few weeks, but Im just not mentally strong enough to muster up all out strength for the rest pause sets. Im sure uf i had a bog ol mofo like him pushing me yah, but when you workout alone it is hard.