Your PERSONAL Testosterone dose

[Warrior]

TweetFor those that have used some kind of method for receptor mapping and finding their best dose of Testosterone (or other compounds) - what was it, weekly? Your personal best dose where benefits peak and sides are low. And what are your natural levels - if you know them, and age?

I would also like to hear ways that you use to document for finding the "ideal" dose. Blood test, urine test, mail order saliva test... grocery store bp machine?

The reason I ask: I am going to stop stacking and start running single compounds to try and figure it all out a little more... probably beginning with Test Propinate with Proviron and OTC BP lowering sups.

[Disposable_Hero]

TweetI find I grow well off 600mg/week, any higher than that and the sides start to develop.

D_H

[Warrior]

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Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
I find I grow well off 600mg/week, any higher than that and the sides start to develop.

D_H

How old are you and do you know your natural levels?

[BigSoda]

TweetI gained well off 250mgs,500mgs,750mgs,and when I tried 1200mgs it was a waste,more sides.

[Warrior]

TweetAnother thing that plays a role in this too is the ester. I longer ester has less free testosterone because they add in the ester's weight to the total mg. So 600mg of Testosterone Enanthate does not equal 600mg of Testosterone Propinate...

[Disposable_Hero]

TweetThats an excellent point warrior. I gain well off 600mg of Enan., but I also make decent gains from 100mg Prop EOD. I seem to get less sides with prop as well, I can go as high as 100mg ED with very little sides.

I have never been tested, so I dont know my natural levels..I'm 21 btw.

D_H

[Disposable_Hero]

TweetHow would you guys compare the gains of say 600mg Test to 1g of Test?

[superman1975]

Tweeti like a gram a week--but thats me

[Drenten]

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Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
How would you guys compare the gains of say 600mg Test to 1g of Test?

For me the gains and the strength are a good bit better at 1 gram as opposed to 500mg. Also, I really don’t see much of a difference in the side effects. At 1050mg a week of Propionate (300mg EOD) the only sides I get are pretty much the same as they are at 500mg a week of Enanthate.

Those sides are:

1. Really oily skin – I mean really oily. It looks like I’m always sweating. I have to constantly go to the bathroom to wash or at least blot the oil off my face. I keep clean undershirts in my desk at work because halfway through the day the upper back area of my undershirt gets soaked with oil. I don’t really get any acne though.
2. I am gyno prone so I use Nolvadex at 30mg a day throughout the cycle and for several weeks after. In fact, I use Nolvadex pretty much all year, usually at 10mg a day when I’m off cycle.
3. My level of assholeishness gets heightened. I have to be really careful not to go off on people.
4. My blood pressure goes up, but a little Dyazide brings that right back down to normal.
5. Headaches. Again, and I’m not really sure why, but using Dyazide pretty much keeps them away.
6. Sleeplessness. I have always had problems sleeping, but on cycle it gets ridiculous. As much as I hate to do it, Valium, which I have a legitimate prescription for, is the only thing that will help.

[Warrior]

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Originally posted by superman1975
i like a gram a week--but thats me

Of free testosterone?

[Warrior]

TweetDrenten, looks like you have played with this using the short esters and found 1 gram (1050mg) per week to be your most effective dose. Do you know your natural T levels? What is your age too? Thanks brah...

[3Vandoo]

TweetI ran 3000mg of test this summer for 4 weeks then cruised at 1700 for 12 weeks.

seriously, I dont see a difference in term of size and strenght between 3000 and 1000mg
except that at 3000mg I was a water balloon, anecdote I was in NYC in July during my cycle and a freak woman pass next to me on time square, build, ripped like hell in a superman suit
she walked passed me and smile and said "Hey MOONFACE"

[Warrior]

TweetLMAO @ 3Vandoo

But that's kinda where I am trying to get with this. You saw no difference between 3000 and 1700mg - but sides where taking a hold. So at 1700 you were closer to your threshold.

I would like to find some kind of link between age, natural Test levels and the perfect Test dose for an individual.

We are all at different stages with different endocrine systems - so if we can come up with a basic link - it's easier to judge what the effective dose might be for people... Receptor Mapping for Dummies. ... so the help from veterans is really appreciated in this thread.

[Drenten]

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Originally posted by Warrior
Drenten, looks like you have played with this using the short esters and found 1 gram (1050mg) per week to be your most effective dose. Do you know your natural T levels? What is your age too? Thanks brah...

I’m 33 years old – no idea what my natural test level is.

[Warrior]

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Originally posted by Disposable_Hero
How would you guys compare the gains of say 600mg Test to 1g of Test?

There is soooo many variables that play a roll in that. And if you want to find out - the best thing is to slowly increase with Testosterone Propinate or Suspension untill you get diminishing returns... then back down. And then you can figure out what your body would need to fully saturate - after saturation, you start getting more negative effects than positive.

Because other androgens will compete at the receptors - the best way to find this out is with Testosterone alone (not stacked) ... or possibly Test with an anti-e (but you have to remember that it will effect results). Once you know then it will be easier to calculate stacks though.

Some of the variables are your age, natural test levels, your lean bodyweight (the bigger you get - the more you benefit from effects like increased protein synthesis), ...

Anyone else?