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      what method did u guys use. i didnt jump into it right away. i would be on my deit 5 days out of the week and off of it for 2. I did this for 2 weeks. then 6 days on 1 day off, for 2 weeks. then 7 days a week but 3 cheat meals. I slowly dropped calories about 200-300 every 5 days.
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      lemme get capinatl's precontest strategy real quick...
      Hey, I never saw a skinny bodybuilder before - eat away!
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      THE PRECONTEST STRATEGY
      by capinatl of www.mmipowertraining.com
      6-24-05

      NPC SHOW BASICS
      Often the weigh-in occurs on the Friday before the Saturday competition. Sometimes both options are offered; an early weigh-in on Friday and one Saturday before pre-judging that takes place in the morning, sometime around 10am. The competition and placings all occur during pre-judging. If you are in a line of 9 guys and you are on the inside doing your quarter turns for the judges and they ask you to switch places with someone on the outside - that's a bad sign. If you are anywhere off dead center and they ask you to move inside to the middle, that means you are in the top of your class, this is termed a "callout". So, with 9 guys, if you are on the outside after the quarter turns you can bet you took 8th, or 9th. Look into dead center and you will know the top three. The winner is usually kept in the middle with second and third on either side (those two can be a guess). Cumpulsory poses are called out by the head judge; double-back-bi, front lat spread, etc. Some shows have individual posing routines that are 60 seconds with no music, bigger shows may leave that out to speed up the process.

      Once you leave the stage the hard work is done. Pre-judging backstage is often tense, while I've experienced much looser environments at night. The night show is all for the crowd, time to show off and get ****y on stage. It's all about having fun at night. After your music routine lasting 60-90 seconds their will be some quarter turns and compulsories for the crowd to make it look like the competition is actually happening at this time. However, if you look at the judges they are up walking around, getting coffee, etc. The winner of each class finally returns to the stage for the overall. There are six weight classes in the Men's Open division:

      BW = Bantamweight...........143 1/4 lbs and lower
      LW = Lightweight................143 1/4 lbs - 154 1/4 lbs.
      MW = Middleweight.............154 1/4 lbs - 176 1/4 lbs.
      LH = Light heavyweight........176 1/4 lbs - 198 1/4 lbs.
      HW = Heavyweight..............198 1/4 lbs - 225 1/4 lbs.
      SHW = Super Heavyweight...225 1/4 lbs and higher

      Quarter turns are called, compulsories, and finally a pose-down to music. The overall winner of the class winners gets the overall trophy, and the show is over. Time to eat.

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      GOLDEN RULE #1: Find someone you trust and ONLY listen to them.
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      GOLDEN RULE #2: If it tastes good you can't eat it.
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      GOLDEN RULE #3: If it tastes good you can't eat it.
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      WEEKS OUT OVERVIEW
      Chronologically detailed by "weeks out" from the show date. All shows take place on Saturday.

      DRUG OVERVIEW
      The compounds listed here can differ greatly. Anavar, masteron and primobolan are also quality cutting enhancers. This is not the exact regimen I followed but I attempted to follow this stack. I actually left out the EQ and skipped a lot of injections particularly from 3-4 wks out. There was no strategy in skipping injections - I was just sick of them. My GH dose is higher than many use, but for most the ED dose is financially related. The primary scheme followed is bulking drugs from 16-9wks while dieting, then cutting drugs at 9wks, and finally short ester cutters from 4wks out. I did not use insulin, although I assume most serious competitors use the short acting insulin for filling out. For those who think using drugs will make or break you - you are mistaken. I did half the doses this year then last year and came in 5 times more vascular, hard and lean. It's all about the food - whole foods.

      ED (QID) = Every Day / EOD = Every Other Day / BID = Bi-daily / E3D = Every 3 days

      TRAINING OVERVIEW
      Expect to be in the gym 3-4hrs per day. The low carbs and high intensity training will offer no "extra" energy for other interests; girlfriends, work, family, friends, etc. During precontest training I accomplish little else than just making it to the gym and getting through my routine. The closer the show gets the more reps I complete, and around 7-8wks out I hit my weaker body parts twice a wk, once heavy and the other day with light with high reps. Legs are also hit hard twice a wk at 6wks out - this does not include the 20 minutes of straight no weight lunges that occur once per week. Next year I will only do weighted lunges with about 80lbs on my back, aka, "country-mile lunges". Striated glutes I hope to be the result of the use of heavy weight.

      DIET OVERVIEW
      When I'm asked what diet can be followed to lose weight my simple answer is the backbone of a precontest diet (save carb cycling and depletion). 6-8 meals per day of varied protein sources that include chicken, fish and lean beef. Protein shakes don't cut it - whole foods are crucial in retaining your lean body mass. Carbohydrates at 300 grams a day from potatoes, rice and oatmeal offer a low glycemic index and just enough value for muscles to stay full and have energy for training. Sweet potatoes, brown rice and oatmeal are preferred over the white potato and white rice options for competitors. Mashed, overcooked potaotes and instant oatmeal are unacceptable as the GI is lhigher. Throw in two 40 minute intese cardio sessions a day and anyone will average a 3lb wk fat loss.

      GI = glycemic index (https://www.glycemicindex.com/)

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      16 WEEKS OUT
      The "eat clean" mentality starts here. The last of the cheat days. I'm listening to every song I hear for a good posing count.

      DRUGS
      Test-E 875mg wk
      Tren-E 600mg wk
      GH 6iu ED

      TRAINING
      Heavy weight, low reps, still thinking mass. One cardio session per day 30-40 minutes.

      DIET
      Bulking diet, continue protein shakes, high calorie, eliminate sugars and reduce other high GI carbs.

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      13 WEEKS OUT

      DRUGS
      Test-E 875mg wk
      Tren-E 600mg wk
      GH 6iu ED
      Anadrol 50mg ED (4wks)
      ECA Stack, 2 caps BID

      TRAINING
      Heavy weight, yet the 10-8-6 rep sets turn to 12-10-8's. Seriously speed up the routines here and include supersets for all muscle groups after the first exercise which is a compound movement. This will help burn calories. Lunges start at twice per wk. One lunge session is 20 minutes of straight lunges, the other is with 60lbs of weight on a leg day supersetted with extensions, curls and leg presses. Cardio doubles start now with two 45-50 minute sessions ED. Some cardio on Stairmaster, the rest typically on treadmill at a 7-7.5 incline at a 3.7-3.8 speed. Long strides at an incline will burn hams and glutes. This is important.

      DIET
      Protein shakes continued, 3-4 carb meals per day, attempting to comsume more whole foods. Daily carbs do not exceed 300 per day. The only carb sources acceptable at this time are: Oatmeal, Sweet Potatoes & Brown Rice. All are eaten plain. Dairy products are removed, excluding the occaisional slice of cheese. Whole food protein sources include mostly chicken, then lean beef and fish. Fat intake is low.

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      9 WEEKS OUT
      The metabolism really starts to kick around this time with weight dropping at 3 solid lbs per wk. GH doubled to BID administrations. Taurine 1500mg BID is added to defeat clen & tren cramping. Attitude starts to get volatile at this time.

      DRUGS
      Test-E 875mg wk
      Tren-E 500mg wk
      GH 6iu ED BID
      EQ 600mg wk
      ECA Stack, 2 caps BID
      Clenbuterol 120mg BID (2wks on / 2wks off > 9-8, 6-5, 2-1)

      TRAINING
      Supersets continued, volume increased. Legs are hit 2x per wk, once light with very high reps (25-50) the other remains heavy with reps staying 12-15 per exercise. Weak muscle groups are hit 2x per wk. Abs are done 5x per wk, calves 3x per wk. Cardio remains two sessions 45-50 minutes, yet the first 39 minutes are done on the Stairmaster, and the remianing time can be completed on a bike, or preferrably treadmill. Posing practice begins and I attempt to get in 3 sessions a week.

      DIET
      Protein shakes discontinued. Only whole foods eaten. Attempt to consume 450g of protein per day. Carb cycling begins;
      Day 1: 250g in three meals
      Day 2: 250g in three meals
      Day 3: 75g in one meal midday
      ...and repeat the 250/250/75g carb cycling until 2wks out.

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      6-4 WEEKS OUT
      Make it or break it time! Short esters are preferred 6-4wks out. EQ is discontinued at 4wks. T3 starts at 4wks, clen is upped to 160mcg BID at 4wks as well. It's also at this time that everyone who thinks they know something start offering unrequested advice for my remaning contest prep - but, that's OK, because I remember Golden Rule #1. I have little tollerance at this time so I've found a simple head nod and a, "Yeah, I think I'll give that a try" gets me out most conversations quickly. At 4wks I'm leaning out pretty well and started to turn heads and get frequent comments in the gym. By now I've dropped about 30lbs, averaging 3.3lb losses weekly. I sweat profusely at night and the AC is kept at 60 so that it runs 24/7. I never get more than 4-5 hours of sleep at night. Waking for urination occurs at least 4 times a night. My metabolism is screaming and my body is hot all day and night. I'm lucky to get 5-6 hours of sleep per night at this time and afternoon naps are frequent. Intimate relationships start to suffer here. Getting angry is easy, and cooling off takes an eternity.

      DRUGS
      Test-E 875mg wk (move to Test-P, 150mg EOD)
      Tren-A 100mg EOD
      GH 6iu ED BID
      EQ 600mg wk
      ECA Stack, 2 caps BID
      Clenbuterol 120mg BID (2wks on/2wks off > 9-8, 6-5, 2-1)
      T3 50mcg BID, and at 4wks out 75mcg BID
      Winstrol injectable at 50mg ED or doubled for an oral dose.

      TRAINING
      Supersets, high volume, strength dropping rapidly. Finding someone else to work out with is a must for me at this time as I just can't harness the mental fortitude to really push it, but with someone I will never let myself get punked. Posing practice begins daily - at least 30 minute sessions of compulsories and quarter turns. I free-style my music routines so I don't practice for the night show posing.

      DIET
      High protein and continued carb cylcling with a 250/250/75g scheme. High GI carbs are starting to call my name now, and diet breakdown intervention protocols are implimented. I've found that if I never skip my meal frequency of 2 1/2-3hrs I stay on my diet. It's when I'm sick of chicken and don't eat for 5 or 6 hours is when I break down and start rummaging through the cupboards like a heroin addict. Last year my story was 17 poptarts 3wks out at 2am. This year I found some very old, very stale vanilla cookies. I ate three and tossed the rest of the pack loosly into the trash as a preventative measure. 5 minutes later I was circling for the trash looking for any cookies that may have not touched any other discarded materials in the container. I managed to find 4 cookies to eat that met my standards of sterilization. The mind game is really on now.

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      3-2 WEEKS OUT
      The mind starts offering it's own physique criticism here; "I'm way too fat - I'm so far behind, I'm flat as a pancake, etc..." At 3wks out a third eye is needed for accurate criticism. I can't stand anyone, I don't want people near me, the way my girlfriend drives pisses me off, and I have sudden urges to yank people out of their cars and strangle helpless puppies.

      DRUGS
      Test-P 150mg EOD
      Tren-A 100mg EOD
      GH 6iu ED BID
      ECA Stack, 2 caps BID
      Clenbuterol 160mg BID
      T3 75mcg BID
      Winstrol injectable at 50mg ED or doubled for an oral dose.
      Halotestin 20mg ED 2wks out / 40mg ED 1wk out

      TRAINING
      I'm weak, so it's all heavy to me at this point. 15-20 reps, supersets, long workouts, and cardio doubles using the Stairmaster for the first 30 minutes twice a day. One day per week my leg routine consits of presses with a 20-30-40-50 rep count.

      DIET
      My diet guy will be looking at me regularly and tweaking my carbs. Around 3wks out I was cycling carbs lower with a 150/150/50 rotation. At 2wks out I carb depleted on Sat and Sun, then returned to the 150/150/50 rotation. Restaurant food is no longer allowed at this time. I start smelling obscure foods, like grilled cheese sandwiches and tomato soup only to find it's a steak someone is eating at the table next to me. Multi-minerals added at twice label suggestions to prevent cramping. I also added Fiber Con fiber tablets to keep my gastrointestinal tract moving along.

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      THE LAST TEN DAYS
      All injections of AAS & GH are discontinued. They hold water, and it's too close to get unlucky with a bad shot and have a lump in your deltoid on stage. Orals continued through Friday, excluding clenbuterol which causes cramping, so I've stopped that on Thursday. My girlfriend keeps telling everyone we know I'm and asshole right in front of me - and for some reason it's the only time I smile anymore. At this point I just want it all to end. Regular posing occurs daily for about 15 minutes at a time. This will help pull glycogen into the muscle tissue. For the same reason, R-ALA is taken 200mg 20 minutes before each 60g carb meal.

      SODIUM LOADING, DIURETICS & DISTILLED WATER

      On Thursday, 10 days out I sodium load consuming as much salt as I can for six days. I've been told only Sea Salt will accomplish this, but table salt seemed to work very well for me.

      WEDNESDAY: Aldactone 50mg BID
      THURSDAY: Aldactone 50mg 8AM / Aldactone 25mg 8PM / Aldactizide 25mg 8PM
      FRIDAY: Aldactone 25mg 8AM / Aldactizide 25mg 8AM / Aldactone 25mg 8PM / Aldactizide 25mg 8PM
      SATURDAY: Aldactone 25mg 8AM / Aldactizide 25mg 8AM / Aldactizide 25mg 3pm

      Tuesday I drink 2.5 gallons of distilled water, Wednesday 2 gallons, Thursday 1.5 gallons and from Friday morning to about 2pm I drink 1.5 gallons of water and stop. From that point on I only consume enough water to swallow pills. When I become obsessed with water, about midday, I chew on ice in attempt to quench my thirst.

      At this time ice is the best thing I've ever had. People talk about how they cannot wait to eat pizza, but the reality is water is what we all want to consume (unless you didn't get dry).

      CARBOHYDRATE DEPLETETING & LOADING

      Saturday and Sunday I carb depleted, and started the infamous carb loading phase on Monday. A third eye is crucial at this time so I know how many carbs to eat as my cerebral function is running at about 15%. Mon-Thur carbs are all sweet potatoes, only sweet potatoes.

      MONDAY: 150 grams
      TUESDAY: 150 grams
      WEDNESDAY: 250 grams
      THURSDAY: 400 grams

      FRIDAY the real carb loading begins. One unsalted white potato every 2 hours and not a minute longer. I was right on at about 1:45 between each potato. R-ALA was used all day on Friday and Saturday, 200mg twenty minutes before each carb meal. The function of the carbs filling up my muscle tissue and pulling water out of my subutaneous tisse is the goal of carb loading. Some water is needed for this to occur. Starting white potatoes at such frequency any earlier than Friday could put me at risk of "spill over", or when I've taken in so many carbs the water returns to subcutaneous tissue. Protein was also comsumed but not feverishly. If I was super flat from the low carbs and diuretics I would have skipped to protein intake to save room for more carbs. Remember, no water after 2pm, and in conjuction I consumed 1 cup of dried oats. At 4pm I had a T bone with a plain side of pasta, more white potatoes, and repeated the steak and pasta again at 8pm. Before bed I ate another cup of dried oats. I slept 2 hours which is 30 minutes more than last year so I guess I was pretty relaxed. Upon getting up in the night I may eat some pototoes or dried oats again.

      SATURDAY is a great day for all the bodybuilders. The classic morning meal is 3 pancakes, syrup and eggs. Still no water. Between breakfast and pre-judging I ate blended peanutbutter and honey spread over rice cakes. Well, mostly topping and a little rice cake, LOL. Then it's high and low GI carb time. At this point almost anything is allowed excluding diary, sodium and water. I consumed some trail mix, 3 bananas, 3 plain burgers with just lettuce and bread, and anything else people wanted to share with me. A few minutes before stage time I eat sugar to aid in vascularity. Niacin is also taken throughout the day to aid in vascularity as well as vasodilation optimizer sprays like Hot Stuff by Pro Tan. A lot of guys eat chocolate but I don't want to have any gastrointestinal issues at this time so I stray from chocolate. One of my fellow competitors from my gym was still eating dried oats with peanut butter backstage.

      Theoretically, sodium could be consumed now but then no water at all could be taken, even sips. I'm too thirsty to want to make dehydration worse so I didn't test this theory out. I've also been told that dairy fats (like ice cream) can be consumed as it takes 7 hours for the fat to affect water subcutaneously. I wasn't willing to test this out either. Multi-Minerals are taken every few hours to prevent cramping. Some competitors use an enema early in the morning to flatten out their lower stomach and reduce a constipated feeling, hence my use of the Fiber Con. I've also heard of many guys using 50mg Anadrol ED to fill out on Friday and Saturday but I don't have problems filling out. I'd use short acting insulin before I went the drol route.

      It's a very long wait backstage if you are in the Men's Open class as all female, novice and masters divisions will go out on stage before you. Expect to wait 2-3hrs. This is when I hang out in the hall and visit with anyone willing to come backstage, of which there are many. I think it's also my obligation to compliment groups on their way out to the stage (for prejudging, particularly) that they look great, good luck, etc. This puts me at ease and give me a boost in confidence. When you are called by the backstage handler/expeditor he will forewarn you to get oiled up and pumped up. Original Pam is used by most males for oil - yessir - the spray on kind. Your tan should have been completed Friday night with nothing more than a touch-up on Saturday am if needed. I use Pro-Tan, many female figure competitors use Jan Tanna. A lof of guys do a complete workout backstage to pump up, but what this does is load the muscle full of blood which smooths out the cuts. Sure, you will be bigger, but you will lose the cuts. I grab the 20lb dbs and do about 15 slow reps of lateral shoulder raises, curls and kick-backs. About 8 standing lunges on each leg and I'm ready for the stage.

      After pre-judging the handlers will tell you to stay dialed in as the final placings will come down to the night show. Going home you have a rough idea of where you have placed, but the night show really doesn't mean a thing. The judges hand in their cards after prejudging and judge nothing more at night than the overall when each class winner poses down against the other. They tell you it will finally come down to the night show so the athletes don't come back all bloated up. If the night crowd sees a high placement bloated they will boo the judges as they think placements are incorrect. It's all a scheme to keep themselves from getting boo-ed!

      DIURETIC REBOUND
      Finally, there is the horrific post competition time of high GI carbs, salt, no training for a week, and no intake of diuretics which can lead to the infamous "rebound". The combination of all of these things can cause the full body adema (holding excess water) causing the athlete to appear like the stay puff marshmallow man. It's an extreme reversal of the sodium/water scheme resulting in the opposite effect. Some people will get ankles and calves that swell up so bad that poking the area with a finger will leave a pitted mark from the adema. A clean diet, cardio and a mild diuretic can ease this state which is very unhealthy. After my first show I gained 25lbs in two days, and another 10lbs in the following five days. This year I only went up 15lbs over my contest weight in one week.
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      very nice post and rep comin ur way

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      thanks ghandi
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      this info is simply awesome thanks so much!

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      Yep it is...included some of it in my show prep....good base info for sure

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      good post A-bomb,you da man!

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      Great post!!!!!!
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      wow, great read ! copy and paste !
      "Workout each rep till I drop the uglyiest , meanest face"

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      Great post.
      It seems like a great starting point, especially for someone new to contest dieting.

      I just saved it for future referecnce and reading.

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      WOW there is so much AWESOME info here!!!...whoever this capinatl guy is i would absolutely LOVE to shoot the shit with him. He definately knows alot about competition dieting!!!!

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      Usually I keep protein high, carbs medium and fats very low for my precontest diet, but I had a hard time losing this time. I started dieting 18 wks out and wasn't losing anything the first 10 wks. I ended up carb cycling for 8 wks and lost 25 lbs.

      In the past I start dieting 12 wks out and after 8 wks no cheat meals. I drop all dairy and fruits at 12 wks and stay way from process foods and foods with add sugar. Then at 8 wks no more foods with wheat or oatmeal. I also start keeping my sodium as low as possible at 8 wks out. I don't get any carbs after 6 PM. Then the weekend before my show, I carb deplete for 3-4 days depending on how I look. Carb load a couple of days before the show.

      My husband did Dave Palumbo's Diet and was getting great results for about 8-10 wks. Then he leveled out and stopped losing. If you try a Keto diet, you can't stay on it for very long. It just depletes your body for too long and you level out. I'd say 8 wks is the max staying on it.

      People seem to have good results with both high carb/low fat and high fat/low carb diets. The key is picking a diet and sticking with it. You can't change up in mid-stream.

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