how the libertarians can win

[trip]

TweetLIES DIVIDE, TRUTH UNITES

please be tolerant and put in context

imho, as always hate motivates, most just hated war and the bush boys, while i don't think he's a bad man or his intentions were wrong, managing things was never his style, he is and always will be a big picture guy

bama, change we can believe in, whether u did or didn't, he won a huge majority, and in the end alot of republicans defecteed, and he won the independents

i'd sum up my whole feelings in one word, CORRUPTION, imho, we are all sick of back door deals, special treatment etc. etc. etc.............and in reality i don't think anyone deep down thought heads would roll with obama in the white house, but imho we all thought at least he'd put a george bush line in the sand and say no f'n more to lot's of shit, especially with his lobbyist BS......

mr. paul always compares and contrasts this or that to the constitution, well the fact is 99.9999% of us have never read it and couldn't site much about it, kind of like pornography, we will know it when we see it

libertarians should be 2-3 key issues on corruption and drive em home forever and ever till everyone is on there side of the boat

fwiw, i got a robo call two nights ago from libertarian party candidate for texas governor, while most think nothing of it, u gotta pay for the list, and once u have it, u got it for a long time, every journey starts with one step

in theory imho we could all agree we want an end to corruption, ie, justice for all

[FUZO]

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bama, change we can believe in, whether u did or didn't, he won a huge majority, and in the end alot of republicans defecteed, and he won the independents

all that happen was the democratic party portrayed the repuiblican party as evil and spent to much. Nothing more then that happen a good plan to make blojama win thats all. Being a half black man lets try and get the youth movement going BUT IN THE END IT WAS ALL BULL SHIT ONE BIG LIE. HE WANTS TO RUIN OUR COUNTRY BY SPENDING. all your independents have now went against this idiot because now everyone see's him for who he is a scum bag liar who doesnt know shit about politics or how to run the country

[FUZO]

TweetTrip and to other libertarians as paul has good intensions he wont win the presidency.Not with the tea party movement now. I could say he is just a few things off on his politics that might change peoples opinions if he changes but as of now the country see's the republicans taking back this country and the new leaders are palin,newt,romney,palenta and the new teap parys people who are just main stream people who want to see big gov gone.Liberals want to say shit about tea partoers but there just people who want whats right no more big gov.

[straydoglogic]

TweetWell, let's remember who started the modern day tea party before it was hijacked by the gop. It was Dr. Paul and his supporters. The leaders of this new tea party are just the same establishment types as always. I don't care what anybody says, the Libertarian platform is the only hope to save this country. Maximize freedom and personal civil liberties and reign in spending and stop the interventionist foreign policy. We are the only ones that really want to do that. The dems and reps are just different heads on the same snake. With that said, which would I rather have in office between the two, it would certainly be the repubs. But we're screwed with either party. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people aren't mad at what's going on, it's the party that's doing it. Repubs are all for reform when it's them doing it, but when the dems are doing it they pizz and moan, and vise versa. It's a power game. Who really cares about the people? Shyte, Palin quit her job as gov and did it for her own selfish reasons. Romney is horrible and his view of healthcare is as bad as the dems and it's killing ****achusetts. I don't even have to say anything about Newt Ging-rinch. Whatever, like I said, it's all the same game name game blame game. Libertarians will be the future and we can get back to what the founders wanted for this great nation. Until there is competition and the two parties lose their control of the system we're screwed.

[FUZO]

TweetStray your party isnt the only party thats wants things to get better its you that thinks the other partys are bad because your a libertarian. Ive always said I would vote for paul if he changed a few of his policys but to say the republicans now dont want this country back on track is absurd. Sure they screwed up years ago but I can say that if there was a 3rd party called libertarian in congress they would have screwed up sooner or later just like the dems and republicans do from the start of time. To say they wouldnt do wrong or have bad years if they were part on our congress is plain wrong.You also say power game well like I said if this country had a 3rd party from the start who's to say they wouldnt be bad.They would be no different then the dems or republicans.You also said something about the dems well they spend they always have thats there belief thats there way let gov pay for everything. If the dems had there way we would be a weak ass country like we are becoming with blojama and if paul wanted the same then so would he. We need to protect thats it. It will always be like that and it will never change. War will happen again in time.the principles of republicans can do what there supposed to do then this country would prosper have jobs low unemployment all that stuff. Palin quit to stop the law suits against her she needed money to pay for lawyers so she did the right thing and let someone who could work do her job thats a fact.And as for romney theres no question he's a great business person. Everyone makes mistakes and so would ron paul but you have to fix the mistakes. No one is perfect but if you look at blojama he has put us in a horrible situation and he isnt correcting his mistakes.The system will always be a 2 party system do you know how much more divided this world would be if we had another party stray there would be chaos and a 3rd party would not work in our system. It has to be a 2 party system thats it. As for the tea party well there really republicans anyway

[JsJs24]

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Trip and to other libertarians as paul has good intensions he wont win the presidency.Not with the tea party movement now. I could say he is just a few things off on his politics that might change peoples opinions if he changes but as of now the country see's the republicans taking back this country and the new leaders are palin,newt,romney,palenta and the new teap parys people who are just main stream people who want to see big gov gone.Liberals want to say shit about tea partoers but there just people who want whats right no more big gov.

Actually Ron Paul is supported by a large majority of those in the Tea Party movement, just like his son Rand Paul is. And he could win the presidency if it weren't for the conservative media not supporting him. And as for big government, the Republicans in office are just as much about big government as the Democrats for the most part. We need new Republicans in office. Karl Rove's recent bashing of Christine O'Donnell just goes to show how much the Republicans still favor corrupt politics and big government supporters. Many of the Republicans in office have lashed out against O'Donnell, Rand Paul, and Joe Miller, all three of which are limited government Republicans. And to think, I used to like Rove somewhat, but now he showed he is no different than the rest. I don't think much will change from the elections other than the lesser of two evils in office. For those who don't agree with me I would challenge you to do your homework instead of merely listening to the news. There is something seriously wrong with Republicans bashing the three candidates I mentioned. Those three candidates represent everything the Republican Party is supposed to represent but for some strange reason they aren't welcomed.

[JsJs24]

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LIES DIVIDE, TRUTH UNITES

please be tolerant and put in context

imho, as always hate motivates, most just hated war and the bush boys, while i don't think he's a bad man or his intentions were wrong, managing things was never his style, he is and always will be a big picture guy

bama, change we can believe in, whether u did or didn't, he won a huge majority, and in the end alot of republicans defecteed, and he won the independents

i'd sum up my whole feelings in one word, CORRUPTION, imho, we are all sick of back door deals, special treatment etc. etc. etc.............and in reality i don't think anyone deep down thought heads would roll with obama in the white house, but imho we all thought at least he'd put a george bush line in the sand and say no f'n more to lot's of shit, especially with his lobbyist BS......

mr. paul always compares and contrasts this or that to the constitution, well the fact is 99.9999% of us have never read it and couldn't site much about it, kind of like pornography, we will know it when we see it

libertarians should be 2-3 key issues on corruption and drive em home forever and ever till everyone is on there side of the boat

fwiw, i got a robo call two nights ago from libertarian party candidate for texas governor, while most think nothing of it, u gotta pay for the list, and once u have it, u got it for a long time, every journey starts with one step

in theory imho we could all agree we want an end to corruption, ie, justice for all

Trip you are now supporting the Libertarian Party I assume. At any rate, you got some things wrong. Obama did not win by a HUGE majority unless you count the electoral vote, but you are talking about Americans supporting the President and the fact is he only had 53% of the vote, which is far from a HUGE majority as you put it. Also, you think only .1% of Americans have read the Constitution, well, I have read it numerous times in full and refer to it literally every day so I guess I am the .1%. But the fact is it is still the law of the land so who cares how many people have read it or understand it. I'm actually shocked that you made that comment, and you said it as if you haven't read it either. I don't care who reads it just so it is followed by the politicians and the Supreme Court. And nobody that actually has a clue thought Obama was going to do anything other than what he is doing, destroying the country.

I must say you are a mysterious man when it comes to politics. One day you're touting Obama as the squeaky clean politician and the next you are explaining how the Libertarian Party can take over the White House. Forgive me if I don't buy into your Libertarian ideas but I just can't see you as a Libertarian.

[JsJs24]

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Well, let's remember who started the modern day tea party before it was hijacked by the gop. It was Dr. Paul and his supporters. The leaders of this new tea party are just the same establishment types as always. I don't care what anybody says, the Libertarian platform is the only hope to save this country. Maximize freedom and personal civil liberties and reign in spending and stop the interventionist foreign policy. We are the only ones that really want to do that. The dems and reps are just different heads on the same snake. With that said, which would I rather have in office between the two, it would certainly be the repubs. But we're screwed with either party. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people aren't mad at what's going on, it's the party that's doing it. Repubs are all for reform when it's them doing it, but when the dems are doing it they pizz and moan, and vise versa. It's a power game. Who really cares about the people? Shyte, Palin quit her job as gov and did it for her own selfish reasons. Romney is horrible and his view of healthcare is as bad as the dems and it's killing ****achusetts. I don't even have to say anything about Newt Ging-rinch. Whatever, like I said, it's all the same game name game blame game. Libertarians will be the future and we can get back to what the founders wanted for this great nation. Until there is competition and the two parties lose their control of the system we're screwed.

You nailed it stray. Unfortunately too many Americans aren't tuned into politics to understand this. I used to like Mitt Romney until he supported the socialist health care system now in place in ****achusetts. Republican Americans should ask themselves why they would support a candidate that implemented the exact same thing Obama did. This is too funny. People don't even care, and why, because he's still a Republican. So when a Republican creates a socialized health care system it is fine...lol. Then you have Newt Gingrich, the man who supported a Republican running against a Constitution Party candidate in NJ, even while the Republican candidate was actually a Democrat posing as a Republican. His comment was he has to stick with the party. That is the same twisted mentality that many Americans have. They don't want to think or learn so they just stick to the party line and elect people that don't actually represent their views, but just so they have an R or D by their name they will get their vote. Adamant Republicans and Democrats will support their party no matter what the party is doing, as if to say they have to choose one of the two parties. But why can't people vote for those who truly represent their views? Why does it always have to be a D or R? Why does everybody let the politicians convince them that they are wasting their vote if they don't vote R or D? Its sad that people can get so angry and passionate about something they are completely ignorant about. They act like they care so much yet they can't even take the time to read some books that will actually educate them on history and politics. The same goes with economics. I can't have an intelligent conversation with hardly anyone these days on any of the three. Once I stray away from basic supply and demand it's over. This week alone I had two people ask me what GDP was while having a conversation. That is sad, heaven forbid I mention aggregate demand or the Laffer curve. Then on history most people think Thomas Jefferson was present for the writing of the Constitution, and I'm sure they aren't aware that he authored the Declaration of Independence. The founders believed in a non-interventionist war policy but try selling that to anybody today...lol. A non-interventionist policy??? They will probably be shocked and think the founders supported nation building and bombing countries all over the world to force our method of government on them whether they like it or not because we know best and we're willing to go broke doing it and risk the lives of our entire military. Then there is Lincoln, and for some reason everyone thinks he was the greatest president ever. Most would never believe he completely did away with the Constitution to build his union. Of course, they would say it needed to be done right? But when Obama goes around it or Bush it is okay, especially if it is in the name of protecting us from the terrorists, forget about those constitutional rights, there not important. Also forget about the famous quote that most people don't even know by Ben Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." What did he know....right? Not many people understand politics, economics, or history and I don't imagine it will change anytime soon. In the mean time people like me and you will get blasted for speaking the truth unless we do so in a setting comprised of others who are well studied on the subjects. I try so hard to convince people to educate themselves, not merely take what I say or anyone else for granted. I wish so bad that people would wake up and realize that they've been had and are continuing to be used and lied to. Sometimes I think its of no use, but then every once in a while I get that one person or two who tell me they are ready to wake up and start learning. Thus, as long as I can get through to a few people every so often it is enough to keep me going. I have spend so much time of my life these last several years educating myself on these subjects and it becomes like a medicine that I need more and more of. There is no end to learning and the feeling it gives me is so great that I want to open up everyone's mind to it. But realistically there aren't many that will open up, most will remain closed minded and go on in life without a clue until one day they wake up and realize their liberties are mostly gone, the government is controlling every aspect of their life, and their standard of living is borderline poverty. I'm afraid that's what it will take for many to wake up.

Some people probably read my posts and think that I am trying to tell them the facts and that they should believe it. Yet, what I am actually trying to do is challenge people to think and base their conclusions from the facts they gather. People like Trip I may not agree with, but at least I respect his obvious research to come to his views. That is all I ask. If someone likes socialism and has studied it immensely then I respect their right to favor socialism, just don't try and convert our government into it, instead go live somewhere that already has it. Everyone needs to be passionate about their views but at least do yourselves a favor and learn why you have those views and find out if those you support for politics represent your views. I believe many people would be disappointed if they did so.

[straydoglogic]

Tweet^^Well said sir. Looks like a nerve had been struck. lol. But you're absolutely right. I had a few responses to some of the things you mentioned but there's just too much. You already know where I stand.

[trip]

Tweetwell, i may seem mysterious, when i'm really not, just think of me as a guy way way up in the bleachers watching the game always, somewhat strategically, just calling things as i see it

i will say, u have converted me js, from this standpoint, you often give me shyte from a principle standpoint, and i brushed it off, lol'd etc..........again whether you want to believe it or not i've always been a libertarain, hell, probably before u were born, maybe a good analogy is a guy who buys and acre of land way way out of town knowing one day the town will grow that way and the acre will be priceless

i won't go into a huge long winded piece, let's just say principles do matter, they matter the most, in a way the principles for our countries success were written down as a map and like i say no one knows really what it says let alone the intent

what pisses me off is both sides blinded by greed and power have hollowed out the middle class

they moan about jobs, shyte folks, u've off shoared em since 1990, that's 20 years of giving away you're best asset, both parties jaw bone crap, folks this is a major mojo domo of a structural problem that will most likely get worse before it get's better

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well, i may seem mysterious, when i'm really not, just think of me as a guy way way up in the bleachers watching the game always, somewhat strategically, just calling things as i see it

i will say, u have converted me js, from this standpoint, you often give me shyte from a principle standpoint, and i brushed it off, lol'd etc..........again whether you want to believe it or not i've always been a libertarain, hell, probably before u were born, maybe a good analogy is a guy who buys and acre of land way way out of town knowing one day the town will grow that way and the acre will be priceless

i won't go into a huge long winded piece, let's just say principles do matter, they matter the most, in a way the principles for our countries success were written down as a map and like i say no one knows really what it says let alone the intent

what pisses me off is both sides blinded by greed and power have hollowed out the middle class

they moan about jobs, shyte folks, u've off shoared em since 1990, that's 20 years of giving away you're best asset, both parties jaw bone crap, folks this is a major mojo domo of a structural problem that will most likely get worse before it get's better

As I mentioned in the above post, I respect your views because you appear to have studied the subjects to base your stance. I will stand by my comment that you are mysterious, and believe me, I read your posts thoroughly, attempting to understand your thoughts clearly. Sometimes you are spot on and others I have a difference of opinion. I am aware that the parameters are broad for the Libertarian Party, and that you are on the opposite end of the spectrum I am on. But either way, your views are yours to have and I can respect that.

I would say you are correct as to being a Libertarian before I was born, depending on your age. I am 34 years old (turning this month) and just registered with the Libertarian Party about 2 years ago, prior to that I was a registered Independent for several years disgusted with the two party system. It took serious reading and studying to learn that the Libertarian Party was where I belonged. My brother actually told me once that I sounded like one so I started studying up on the party and realized indeed I was. My views often align with the Republican Party, yet nobody in office short of Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul represent those views. Still there are some in the house and senate that come out on the right side (that of liberty) now and then. I am hopeful that Joe Miller, Rand Paul, Sharon Angle, and Christine O'Donnell will win their respective elections and join the Republican Party. I don't know what it will be like having people with principles in office but I'm sure it will be a good thing.

[straydoglogic]

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I am hopeful that Joe Miller, Rand Paul, Sharon Angle, and Christine O'Donnell will win their respective elections and join the Republican Party.

I don't think that Christine O'Donnell is going to be on the side of civil liberties. She's a bible thumper and we all know that when one put's their religion into politics it doesn't help much with personal freedoms. I think I'm going to make a post on some things I've found out about her, but I don't like her. I wish Rand was more like his father but he still is far better than most.

[FUZO]

TweetYou posted shit from yhe last 10-15yrs ago on some things people can change and she has a great chace on beating her oppnt

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I don't think that Christine O'Donnell is going to be on the side of civil liberties. She's a bible thumper and we all know that when one put's their religion into politics it doesn't help much with personal freedoms. I think I'm going to make a post on some things I've found out about her, but I don't like her. I wish Rand was more like his father but he still is far better than most.

I should be more careful in who I announce my support for because to be honest I don't know much about Christine O'Donnell. I guess I assumed she was like the others I mentioned, but I will look her up and learn more about her. Joe Miller seems like a good candidate so far from what I have read and heard from him. Rand Paul so far seems good to me but I do wish he were more like his father, however, I think he may be playing it safe to get into office. Sharon Angle is definitely a good candidate but I don't think she will pull it off. I actually am beginning to believe the local rumors here in Vegas that Harry Reid may have paid off the Tea Party to support her since she is a weaker candidate than Sue Lowden would have been. It is definitely worth thinking about because it makes perfect since. Harry Reid didn't have a chance according to the poles when Lowden was favored to win the primary. Then, at the last minute, a week before the election roughly, the Tea Party switched and supported Angle whom nobody thought had a chance, including the poles. Now I was always a Tarkanian supporter financially until Angle got in the race and then I supported her, but thought she didn't have a chance. So it does raise suspicion that the Tea Party was bought off at the top level here in Nevada. People have been calling in to the local talk radio host, speaking of the rumors. Some have said they heard it though the grapevine from sources well rooted in the local Tea Party group. If this is the case it is disgusting and proves my point that the Tea Party will become another corrupt organization eventually though I hope not.

[trip]

Tweetfiddy two, u missed nightly news on vietnam and watergate hearings

when they didn't throw nixon in the crossbar hotel i knew politics was all a farce, the hearings, goooooooooooooodddddddddddddddddd, no matter how much they talked, he still broke the law and got away with it