Second Cycle

[Th3w0rld1sm1ne]

TweetHowdy bros... It's about that time of year again for me and i am trying to put together a hardening/cutting cycle.

A little bit of background to give you some details to work with...

I'm 6'2, 214lbs and 10% BF. I Have done one cycle almost exactly a year ago, a 4 month bulking cycle. At the begining of that cycle I was 198 and about 8%bf. I put on about 25 pounds, lost about 7 (didn't gain much water taking ldex), and have maintained my lbm and unfortunately gained a little fat since then.

My last cycle was:

Week 1-16 400mg EQ
Week 1-16 300mg Prop
Week 1-14 500mg test -e
Week 1-16 .5mg liquidex eod
With nolva, clomid and HCG for pct

I am comfortable with my weight, not trying to be a monster or compete, only trying to be big, hard, and well defined. I don't have the best genetics (gaining wise i'm fine, it's bf that is a problem. I gain EVERYTHING easy it seems ) and i work very, very hard with diet and training just to maintain LBM while keeping bf below 12%

For a hardening/cutting stack i am thinking of running EQ, Tren and Prop. With Clen to finish it out. I'll run the same PCT as last time, i was really satisfied with it.

Can you guys recomend a cycle of about 3 months using eq, tren, prop and clen? Should i throw winny in? Bear in mind my past dosages of eq and prop. Will i need to up them to have them continue to be effective? If i could put on a few pounds of lbm that would be awesome but really i want to harden and cut.

I was thinking
Weeks 1-12 EQ 400mg/wk
Weeks 5-12 - Tren 75mg eod
Weeks 1-12 Prop 100mg eod
Weeks 10-12, 14-16 Clen 80mcg ed

Please give opinions, alternatives etc and include timeframes and dosages!

Thanks so much!

[Skarhead]

Tweetare you using undecylenate or boldenone acetate? if undecylenate i would run the prop 3 weeks more just for PCT reasons... Other than that I think it looks good!

[Th3w0rld1sm1ne]

Tweetundecylenate bro... so you're saying run the prop by itself for 3 weeks more and then start pct or run prop in conjunction with pct?

[Skarhead]

Tweetthe undecylenate ester, i belive takes approx 3 weeks to get out of system while the prop takes about 3 days to get out of your system. So, 21 days after ur last EQ inject is when everything will be cleared so I think you should run the prop up until then. then start pct

[mick-G]

TweetYeah, you could do that with the prop, no prob. I am just thinking that i would personally run the EQ at a higher and longer duration, but if you see results with 400mg that is sufficient. I don't start seeing results till at least 6wks and using 600mg/wk, lol!

[Th3w0rld1sm1ne]

TweetSo since i ran 400mg last time do you think i should up it to 600mg a wk for the eq? What about the prop... do i need to up that since i ran it last time at 100? I keep reading people saying that you will not be able to achieve the same results with the same amount. It's been a year though, so are my receptors pretty clean? Does that even have anything to do with it?

Should i throw winny in there? Or is it bad to run tren and winny together since they are both 17aa and i am a newbie (only my second cycle).

Thanks so much, i appreciate the info!

[Skarhead]

TweetFor a 2nd cycle I don't think you need to up it .. I dotn believe in the receptor theory either. I think you should be fine at the doses you are running it's only ur second cycle.

[ssgeek]

Tweet

For a 2nd cycle I don't think you need to up it .. I dotn believe in the receptor theory either. I think you should be fine at the doses you are running it's only ur second cycle.

...plus, you've got a year between cycles.

As to Mick's question, he has no idea what makes him grow. Maybe he can grow on 400mg/wk EQ (uncommon, but not unheard of).

That said, I agree w/Mick - generally speaking, you're running light on EQ - in fact, given your stated goals, I'd save my money. Not that EQ wouldn't help you at your BF, but, you're gonna want to run it for at least 16 weeks, bro.

Week 1-4: 30-50mg Dbol ed
Week 1-12: 100mg prop eod
Week 1-12: 75mg tren eod

Have your diet dialed in, lift heavy, you'll harden up, without a doubt.

[edvedr]

Tweeti would run
prop weeks 1-15 100mgs eod
eq 400mgs a week 1-12
tren 75 mgs eod weeks 1-12

[Equalizer]

Tweeti would run the prop for another 2-3 weeks after your last shot of eq at the dosage you have since.....i love eq and swear by it for mass or cutting cycles....other than that you look good to go....dont forget about pct

[Equalizer]

Tweetsorry bro saw you had your pct up there already....looks good as well im a fan of nolvadex and hcg...

[Th3w0rld1sm1ne]

Tweetawesome fellas, thanks for all the input! That's alot to pour over. A few of you sugested more than 8 weeks on tren... I know this is an ongoing debate, but is more than 8 weeks going to be a problem? Some have told me in the past "don't run tren for more than 8 weeks" but i've never seen anyone give a reason why. Correct me if i am wrong but it is not 17aa is it?? I may be having a moron attack here, so go easy on me, i'm still a noob.

I was thinking of adding winny 50mg eod... would that be throwing my money away? (already can get the job done with tren, eq and prop in other words)

Thanks again!

[Equalizer]

Tweetif this is just your 2nd cycle just stick with those 3 OR you could run the winny after you drop the tren for another 4-6 weeks, might help solidify your gains even more....my guess for the reason most suggest no more then 8 weeks is due to its harshness, it has a rep for being especially harder because it is so androgenic. this too is debatable but its your body so go with what you can have a clear conscious with and minimize your worries.

[HungarianBeast]

Tweet

i am trying to put together a hardening/cutting cycle.

I'm 6'2, 214lbs and 10% BF.

With those stats, I would not cut. JMO

[muscle_n_blood]

TweetProp and tren makes a great cutter, if you don't mind all the injections. The EQ is also good, but much different. I wouldn't run both together on a second cycle. Pick one to run with your test, and see how it does you. Tren has some side effects, harsh for some, so I'd run it with just test and start with 50 mg eod. You can ramp up the dose if you tolerate it OK. I'd run EQ for at least 16 weeks with a long ester test. Stacking too much stuff on your first and second cycle is confusing. You can't tell what is doing what, and your gains are not any better. Stick with 2 compounds, test and one other for another cycle or two.