How about this Cycle

[azlifter]

Mon- 2CC winstrol
Tues 1CC Nandrolona (decca 300)
Thurs 2CC winstrol
Fri 1CC Test

7days= Creatine, Amino complex, 200g protien. Gallon of water a day. 40 minutes of cardio and 1-2 hours lifting.

PCT is ready with Clomid and nolva ect.

Goal is Strength, definition, then size, along with body fat loss. 5-11 230lbs now.

[Got Gear?]

To be frank... it looks like crap.

Winny needs to be taken EOD at most. Instead of injecting 2cc 2x per week, I'd just drink 1cc every day. Yes, you can drink winny.

300mg/wk is pretty low dose for deca. But if this is your 1st time using it, it should be enough.

1cc of test? What kind of test? I have a fealing your test dose is going to be too low. You want to run at least 400mg/wk. Hopefully it's a long ester test and you can inject it and the deca all in the same shot.

[DOUBLE J]

Basically it sounds like you have much research to do before you will be anywhere close to doing a cycle.
Whats your age?

[jack hust]

please do more research before you start this cycle its not a good cycle at all

[azlifter]

Ok.. Well thats why I posted guys. I have alot of people around me that tell me this and tell me that. I am inteligent and have been doing hours of research a day. With your help I can get through the crap and get this done right. Thanks to all of you for putting up with a newbie and thanks for your help. All I ask is that when you suggest something just please tell me why you feel the way you do with a reason so I can research and understand Bros.

As for the winny I was told its fast acting since its water based and that it needs to be frequent. I was told twice a week with 2cc's. If It needs to be more frequent thats great.. Thanks for the tip.

The reason I cut the decca back to 1CC is that it hurts. I experience localized pain for a week at the injection site and because of that my lifting suffers. I have tried 2 brands. It just bothers me.

The test is a cream. You pull it out in a tube to measure and apply to your leg or thigh. Its 200MG from what the tube says. The reason why this is a low dosage is that I have noticed side effects. Oily skin and some mental effects such as rage ect. I know Test is important and I have located some injectable test to try.

My overal dosages are low because I wanted to start off easy for this cycle. I am not looking to break records with gains. Just working out hard, eating right and doing reasearch. Again. Alot of my information comes from guys I know personally and they have had success. I value everyones opinion. My lifting has really increased and I am getting good gains. With your help I can weed out the trash and do this right.

Thanks!!!

[wheelbarrel]

Try cutting the deca with IM B-12 or vet grade B complex, 1 ml should help. Also try diffrent injection sites, delts are easy. Look at spotinjections.com or jack's post on injection sites.

Your test dosage is too low, 200 mgs in a transdermal formula, not all of it will make it through the skin, you would be better off with a injectable.

As far as the side affects go, do a little research and if you use gear, you'll need to control your aggression, or don't use it.

[DOUBLE J]

Originally posted by wheelbarrel
Try cutting the deca with IM B-12 or vet grade B complex, 1 ml should help. Also try diffrent injection sites, delts are easy. Look at spotinjections.com or jack's post on injection sites.

Your test dosage is too low, 200 mgs in a transdermal formula, not all of it will make it through the skin, you would be better off with a injectable.

As far as the side affects go, do a little research and if you use gear, you'll need to control your aggression, or don't use it.

Good advice

[Got Gear?]

OK..great, I'm glad you're willing to learn.

-I suggest you just drink the winny. 1cc every day.

-Ditch the cream. As you've already found out, it's far from ideal. This stuff is ment for Hormone replacement therapy, it doesn't work will for bodybuilding as you've found out.

-Find some good injectable testosterone. Preferably testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate. You should be able to find testosterone that's nearly painless... and you can mix it with your deca to lessen the pain of the deca.

[Audiowaves252]

200gs of protein isnt enough while on, go for 300-400gs

[azlifter]

I was told I needed Test prop. Can you guys explain what the difference is or point me to some articles? Thanks. I will get some asap. I agree the Cream is not ideal. It was available at the time.

I will try to Drink the Winny everyday. I need to get some more though. I will run out to fast since I got enough on the 2CC X week schedule. Thanks for the tip.

Thanks for the tip on the B12 and Decca. I will research more and might try that. Its just painful for me. My friend has no pain with the same exact brands. I guess it just bothers me. Where ever I inject that muscle is useless for 3-4 days and pain is there for a week. With the Winny I cant even tell I took it at all which is nice.

I will up the protien. I have heard and read that i needed more but I find it difficult to get that much protien each day throughout the week. I will pick up some protien sups and double up then. Thanks for that tip Audio.

[Got Gear?]

The difference in the different types of testosterone is the ester.

This ester controlls how quickly the testosterone is released into your body.

Testosterone propinate needs to be injected Every other day at most, and preferable every day. Whereas with testosterone cypionate or enanthate, you can get away with only 1 injection per week.

[wheelbarrel]

Originally posted by azlifter
I was told I needed Test prop. Can you guys explain what the difference is or point me to some articles? Thanks. I will get some asap. I agree the Cream is not ideal. It was available at the time.

Test prop has a different ester, goes to work faster and leaves your system faster, has a half life of 3 days. Prop is great, you'll need to shoot ED or EOD, it means a lot of sticks and can be painfull.

[Audiowaves252]

Sounds like you are seriously trying to research and make sure everything is done correctly which is very important for a successful cycle, good job. Have fun growing bro!

[DOUBLE J]

Unless I missed it I still don't see your age. ???