EQ or DECA for healing?

[bigbob12]

Tweetwell, now I'm kinda torn between one of two steroids. I will be using this in a stack for an injured calve.

whats the consensus......EQ or DECA for injury healing??

I know HGH is the "best" but which of those two steroids above would be the better one..... thanks!

and some will say that I should not use roids at all for this, but I have been through 3 months with no improvement, so i need to try something new. thanks!!

[Gymratforlife]

TweetI wouldnt use aas for healing anything bro.If anything you might hurt it worse from the strgth gains on a non fully healed muscle.Go natural for a looooooooong time till the muscle feels really good and strong.then do mild dosages for lengthier times to make it really strong and allow all the scar tissue to strthen and addapt.

[71olds442]

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Originally posted by Gymratforlife
I wouldnt use aas for healing anything bro.If anything you might hurt it worse from the strgth gains on a non fully healed muscle.Go natural for a looooooooong time till the muscle feels really good and strong.then do mild dosages for lengthier times to make it really strong and allow all the scar tissue to strthen and addapt.

couldnt have said it better myself. anyone that says they are being "healed" from AS is probably thinking that because the water weight you may help "lubricate" your joints. this by no means is healing...

[FUZO]

TweetNEITHER. YOU NEED TO HEAL 100% BEFORE YOU START USING. AND YOU SHOULDNT EVEN USE GEAR

[jack hust]

Tweetno aas will help you heal

[lipperlanni]

TweetSo your saying that deca for example wont heal a muscle that was badly strained or pulled at all? Even after you recover from the injury?

[bigbob12]

TweetHow to increase collegen synthesis!! (i.e. - strengthen those tendons and ligaments)
originally posted by AnimalMass on competitivemuscle.com

While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.

AnimalMass

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What do you guys think of this idea?

[Gymratforlife]

Tweetthat guy is controversial were u pasted that from.

[bigbob12]

TweetHey, just wondering.....can someone get EQ-dick like they can get deca dick? If one were to use just EQ, would the supression on natural test be great enough to do that?

if running a 10 weeks cycle with:
100 mg test/week
500 mg EQ/week


If one were to use just EQ, would the supression on natural test be great enough to do that? thanks!

[Gymratforlife]

TweetEQ is not nearly as supresive as Deca.Not even by a long shot,I would say they are on oposite far ends of the spectrum as far as supresion goes.

[71olds442]

Tweetthat post was written on how to help strengthen them.. not heal them. im sure if you search hard enough, you can find info to support anything. hell it only took reggie lewis like what 8 doctors to say he was good to play? honestly... go for it if you want. but i highly doubt that you will magically heal from them! if you would, doctors would prescribe this stuff for it.

[bigbob12]

TweetThere is a good chance you are right. but, doctors do prescribe steroids after major muscle and connective tissue surgeries. this heightens the healing process and makes it a much better situation for the injured person. If it can expediate the healing process by maybe 30% then doing this would be worth it to me. I'm still gonna try it

[Gymratforlife]

Tweetjust dont go heavy no matter how light the weight seems and if u do go on them go on something like primobolin and some low EQ dosages and warm up the muscle throughly on every exercize.I still dont recomend it but if u must this is the way I would go about it.