That's my point - I don't wanna ever think about using that much Test, but, it is an interesting concept, nevertheless. There are many problems whose answers were found only by crossing that line...

This is a good, healthy debate....RIGHT???? :)

wasssamatta with bloat, huh??? ;) I can't f-ing stand it myself - in fact, I'm one week into a cycle that got Anadrol and Deca in it, so, I'm in for some serious bloat. But, it does help me...

I'm adding slin (also humalog) to my current cycle of Test/GH/A-Bombs/Deca! Say hello to a newfound 30 lbs by the time I'm done!! WOOHOO!

15ius of slin??? never run it, but, my understanding is that if 10uis pw isn't cutting it, that you should take a separate dose in the AM. I'll let someone who actually knows something comment on...

well, read the post! ;)

the "test" (no pun intended) subject never cycled before, ran 2grams test/week and gained 30+ lbs of muscle

My point is, that when I ran my first cycle it was 1/4th the...

...agree with everything you've said, HB. I'm on my third cycle and just nudged up to 750mg/week. Reason being is that I'm running GH, and that the concensus of the bros that I talked to while...

perfectly put! not only that, but, being that it is your first cycle, it's probable that you will grow just the same without it!

good luck!

nasty stuff

anti-e's will not help you out w/ water weight gained from deca. deca converts to progeterone, not estrogen. Dostinex will help some with bloat from deca. If you want a cycle where you can control...

man that scares me! I'm 41, and so far, in my limited experience w/Deca, as long as my test levels are high enough, I'll be ok. However, I ALWAYS have some Vitamin Cialis on hand, just in case!

...zackly!

I'm sorry, I didn't intend it to come off that way, at all! OP, please don't take any offense.

What I meant was, that it wouldn't address the reasons she gained unwanted fat, in the first place.
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Is she taking this to lose fat? If so, she might be in for a rude awakening. The thing about T3, while it can be a very potent fat burner, especially when combined with Clen, is that is does not...

I agree w/muscle_n_blood. Consider this:

Weeks 1-15 Sust 750 EW
Weeks 1-15 Deca 400/450 EW
weeks 1-15 GH 4iu 5 on, 2 off

Your diet looks great - you've thought about this, obviously.

The...

lol, nah, test actually dries me out!

see, that's what I was thinking - he's not taking anything that's going to bloat him. I get the fact that it enhances te effects of Test, I just didn't think that it would be that significant, as...

1. my math skills apparently suck! You're absolutely right!

2. I guess that I think that in his case, Proviron at 25mg ED would suit him better in PCT. How do you think that it will benefit him...

Well, if he's looking to use GH to aid in fat loss, he might want to consider 2iu's ED no Test. If he's looking to add LBM, 4iu's ED/500mg Test EW. He might want to consider running 20-25mcg's T3...

yeah, what mick said. and, no, it wasn't a stupid question, at all.

Cycle experience? Stats? Goals?

hmmm, how about shelving the gear for now, dial in your diet and cardio, then think about gear.

gusto, with all due respect....

You don't need a cutter, you need to dial in your diet/cardio. Gear, especially the gear you've chosen, ain't gonna do a hill of beans to shred one ounce of fat.
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Cali, you do sound like your read to enter into this anablolic bodybuilding thing.

I would suggest that you run 500mg Test/wk. Doesn't really matter what kind of Test - Test is Test,...

No worries, bro. :) Let's just agree to disagree.

PS: I did read the post before I made up my mind that I disagreed!

Easy, bro, easy. No need to be an ass.

The fact is, that the absorption levels never reach high enough to do much of anything. It is a fact, not an opinion.

It IS a waste of time and money -...

waste of time/$$$

Couldn't agree more - eat, eat ,eat!!! :) You're pretty lean, right now, I'd take HB's advice and not worry about getting fat. If you're bulking, you WILL gain SOME fat, unless you're some kind of...

- prolly not
- serious question - I've never run it, but.....just checked it out, never mind, 300-500/wk is plenty.

Questions, bro:

- why taper? I don't see what it's going to do for you
- you think that's enough masteron? $$$$

Since the half life of Deca is about three weeks, runing test for those three weeks after his last poke of Deca, will give him the most bang for his buck, in terms of cycle synergy.

Who knows if...

...plus, you've got a year between cycles.

As to Mick's question, he has no idea what makes him grow. Maybe he can grow on 400mg/wk EQ (uncommon, but not unheard of).

That said, I agree w/Mick...

test is test is test

What a good question!!!!??? Not gonna respond specifically, because I'm no expert on GH, but, nevertheless, great question!

No bloat from Dbol??? Lucky bastard! :iconbiggr

Del's a bro I know.

- DHEA is works in conjunction with Clomid, to kickstart your body's endogynous Testosterone production

- HCG's function is to stimulate gonadal steroid hormones by causing...

Personally, I fucking HATE bloat. That said, I suck it up and deal with it, because otherwise, I'm robbing myself of a lot of strength while on.

HB, it's a personal preference, I think. Some...

I agree, with the exception of rating it for its ability to keep gains. It's not up to par with HGH, which actually helps create new cells, versus "inflating" existing cells, as is the case w/Test.
...

You're right, but, did anyone consider that he's running 8 GRAMS of gear weekly???? It's called drug abuse...period. Pros don't run 8 grams of gear weekly, and certainly not over one gram of Tren...

[QUOTE=diggiboy]LOL, what do you want vets mods admins to do..stop him fro taking what he wants..

Nope. I think that mods/vets/admins have a certain degree of responsibility, to ensure that the...

He'll sacrifice some degree of gains. 500mg Test is light enough not to worry about preventive measures to stave off gyno. If he's one of those rare guys who get's progyno from Deca, Nolva's not...

1.5G Tren per week???? On top of whatever fraction of your transderm will actually deliver??

I hear you, you've done many cycles, you're a big boy. This cycle is irresponsible and so excessive,...

I think you're setting yourself up, bro. You are going to have a really hard time eating enough food to facilitate the kind of growth you expect, while losing 10 lbs fat.

I'd suggest that you...

Mikey's right! That's what we're here for.

Note to anyone who's wondering: it's ok to disagree with each other, and not be jerks about it, or have advice taken as an insult.

Your man doesn't need a cutter - he needs to dial in his diet, get some regular cardio in his routine, and a sensible training regimen.

Cutter cycles are for those who have several bulking cycles...

You DO need it, for a few reasons:

1. Tren will shut you down hard. It's not going to be any fun to be you, when your sex hormones and your thyroid hormones shutdown simultaneously.

2. T3 does...

bacteriostatic water has a small amount of an acid, which effectively extends the shelf life of GH, once mixed.

Where's the Test? Plus, you should know, that T3 does not discriminate between different tissue types - in other words, it'll burn protein just as easily as it will fat. All the more reason you need...

just a few comments:

- not enough time inbetween cycles time on (yes, including PCT) = time off
- you *may* want to plan on eating more
- make sure you're drinking at least (AT LEAST) 2 gals...

...heard recently that it's been "suggested" that Clen kills heart cells....anyone else hear that???