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      Quote Originally Posted by DethKlok View Post
      orals & injs hit different.
      i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
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      Quote Originally Posted by guns01 View Post
      i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
      with yoh added in there is no telling which will kill ya first. two together are very powerful. for some its simply on their cant do list.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DethKlok View Post
      orals & injs hit different.
      They Definitely do. And add the yohimbe in there also . This hits pretty fast. But he is taking all this at once + tren a + t3. This is why i ask about these things. Especially if he is sensitive to stims.
      There is a lot going on here. Just trying to get some perspective and narrow things down.

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      Quote Originally Posted by guns01 View Post
      i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
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      All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

      Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
      Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
      and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

      Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
      Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

      Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by lex-ttp View Post
      All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

      Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
      Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
      and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

      Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
      Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

      Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!
      Thanks for all the info.
      I'd drop the dose back down. Stay there for a bit longer as long as you feel comfortable. There is no set timeframe as to how long you need to stay at any one dose. What kinda cardio you doing? Also, are you in a caloric deficit.
      Its good your running t3 with tren. Are you running tren e3d for a reason. Normally eod or ed is normal. Also, are you taking an ai. Thanks.. Sorry for all the questions. Trying to see where you are and maybe give you some ideas to help with kick starting your weightloss.
      How about carb cycling?

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      Hey your helping me out bro, ask as many questions as you need to. I really appreciate the advice. Honestly, diet may be more of a factor than I considered after your questions today and in thinking about it. I haven't counted calories since I competed in over 20 years ago. Then I had to in order to even be able to step on stage with everyone else. Hated it then and been blessed with not having to do so since. Better living through chemicals! That is until now. And as far as your questions go:

      what kinda cardio you doing? - Treadmill: 22-25 minutes/3x's week.
      are you in a caloric deficit. - No. Again I don't count calories and restrict my carbs to some days 0 grams and others as much as 200 grams but nothing consistent. I tend to try to consume mostly protein and after just doing the math, my fat ass supposedly needs to maintain 2,901 calories daily to maintain my current body weight, which seems like a lot and more than I thought I currently consume on avg., but apparently not. And to be in caloric deficit I'd have to be at about 2,400-2,500 calories/day. I need to start counting calories and get a better idea about how my avg daily consumption and paying more attention to what exactly I'm ingesting in terms of protein/carbs/fats. I thought I was eating decent and consuming less than 2,900 calories daily but apparently not! Again, I never have been this over weight/had trouble losing weight when I needed to until now so this is all new to me!

      Its good your running t3 with tren. Are you running tren e3d for a reason. Normally eod or ed is normal. - Yes, my ass has been a pin cushion for 31 years now, since I've been 18 yo (can't do quad, shoulder or bi IM injections, have tried all 3 and just can't!) and E3D is just easier on injection site(s). Does E3D vs EOD make that much of a difference with tren-a?

      Also, are you taking an ai. - I don't know what ai is.
      How about carb cycling? - answered above.

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      Quote Originally Posted by lex-ttp View Post
      All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

      Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
      Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
      and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

      Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
      Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

      Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!
      i didn't ask you anything kid. I keep it to the question bro.

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      My mistake Dethklok. I was replying to Macedog24's most recent questions (post #36).

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      You are thorough lex and you are chill on FG. i would just back off the helios for a bit. i don't usually use peptides stand alone but recon sounds legit if it gives you those tweaks. If it simply doesn't agree, try clen stand alone apart from yoh. -DK

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      Thank you and I appreciate the advice from both you and Macedog24. Good stuff! I scaled back the HELIOS, am now in caloric deficit and increased my tren intake from E3D to EOD! It's only been two days and I feel much better already (no shakes, nausea or shits). That HELIOS did a number on me for a minute!

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      Quote Originally Posted by lex-ttp View Post
      Thank you and I appreciate the advice from both you and Macedog24. Good stuff! I scaled back the HELIOS, am now in caloric deficit and increased my tren intake from E3D to EOD! It's only been two days and I feel much better already (no shakes, nausea or shits). That HELIOS did a number on me for a minute!
      glad to hear it man. helios can sneak up on a bro ... i know lol. Good luck with the rest of your run!

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      Never been able to handle clen or any fat burner. I get the hand shakes from clen at 25mcg max

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      Quote Originally Posted by PUMPED View Post
      Never been able to handle clen or any fat burner. I get the hand shakes from clen at 25mcg max
      i am the exact same way. i shake like a cat shitting razor blades for the duration of clen or any other stim. i like the helios much better than tabs though
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