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Originally Posted by lex-ttp

Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???

Ok a few things. Before i begin.
Have you ever used clen before.
Have you ever used t3 before.
Is that your first cycle?
Ha e you ever used tren before?
Thanks

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TweetAll good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!

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Originally Posted by lex-ttp

All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!

Thanks for all the info.
I'd drop the dose back down. Stay there for a bit longer as long as you feel comfortable. There is no set timeframe as to how long you need to stay at any one dose. What kinda cardio you doing? Also, are you in a caloric deficit.
Its good your running t3 with tren. Are you running tren e3d for a reason. Normally eod or ed is normal. Also, are you taking an ai. Thanks.. Sorry for all the questions. Trying to see where you are and maybe give you some ideas to help with kick starting your weightloss.
How about carb cycling?

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Originally Posted by lex-ttp

All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:

Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.

Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.

Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!

i didn't ask you anything kid. I keep it to the question bro.

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Originally Posted by lex-ttp

Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???

pull the heilis dose back down like you are planning. with the yohimine in there with the clen it doesnt take as much of the helios to crank you up. that could be one of the causes of the sides. also with the t3 added in as well it could be giving you a double whammy. now as for the weight loss, obivously you have to be in or creating a cal def. if you arent then you arent going to be dropping any actual weight. now that isnt saying that you arent dropping bf and not losing any weight. get you a set of calipers and pinch where you hold the most body fat. if that number is coming down weekly then you are losing body fat.

TweetHow often were you taking it and what dose did you start with and end with?

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Originally Posted by macedog24

How often were you taking it and what dose did you start with and end with?

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i just noticed the dosing on your current product and that's pretty hefty. the great ones i had were half that per ml. i started at 1/2ml ed first thing in the am and never went over 1 full ml. i ran it for 12 weeks total during a prep and used keto to keep from saturating the receptors. little drastic and i could have pulled it way early but i am a creature of habit and dont like changes so i didnt pull it until the end.
if i were you i would start at 1/4 ml ed and go from there. now what i did is i started in my mid section and when that got where i wanted it, i transitioned to my upper thigh. it literally eats the fat away to stupid low levels. i would have to go back and look at my skin fold measurements but they were pretty much all in the 9-11mm ranges and within 6 weeks they all had came down to 3 or 4 in the areas i was hitting. so i can say i have first hand results with the stuff and it is fantastic. cool thing is, it doesnt take a lot to work and no way in hell i would push up to around the 80-120mcg clen like you see people do with orals. i can only imagine how that would make the heart race even splitting the dose up

TweetI'm definitely going to get some and run a journal of it

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Originally Posted by FUZO

I'm definitely going to get some and run a journal of it

Awesome! Sounds great. Im in.

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TweetStart at 10 units. Some handle it well. But several get great benefits from 10 units. Everyone will respond different.

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Tweetinteresting...

TweetSub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?

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Originally Posted by maxseg

Sub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?

It will benefit overall. But you will notice spot reduction in the fat area you are injecting also.

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Originally Posted by maxseg

Sub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?

you will see it all over man, but you will get some good results in stubborn areas that you put it in

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Originally Posted by guns01

you will see it all over man, but you will get some good results in stubborn areas that you put it in

Exactly.

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