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About to start my cycle and wanted to get this PCT straight first. I'll running 600mg of Fina 12 weeks and 800mg of Test prop for 16 weeks. What should my PCT be? I've already got clomid will that be enough? Let me know I can't get HGH right now so that's out of the question?:alien:
start the clomid a week after you end. 300mg day 1 then 100mg 10 days 50mg 10 more days. you meant HCG right? ive never really ad a need for that. you should be all set.
Thanks bro, Ya i've already got Clomid I was just making sure thats all I needed so if anyone else thinks different let me know
Start PCT 3 days post prop injection
I would suggest running .25mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva(for SERM benfits) + 200mg B6 for prolactin
My suggested PCT would be to add clomid to the above @ 100mg, raise the Nolva to 20mg, and raise the B6 to 300mg- all for 30 days
Hcg starting half way through would be a smart play as well
If you like. I'll post up the B6 study
listen too Saturn and Pheedno, they know what there talking about. I've done Saturn's method. Pheedno can you post that B6 thread. Thankz
Here it is. It's an IV study, but applicable to oral administration as well
The following are excerpted from OB/GYN class notes:
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Suppression of Lactation:
When the mother chooses not to breast feed or the baby is lost, suppression of lactation may be required. Initially the breasts get engorged, however in the absence of suckling further milk production stops on its own. Firm support to the breasts is helpful in reducing the discomfort. Manual expression is not very helpful as it promotes further milk secretion. Estrogens in high doses can suppress lactation, however there are side effects and the risk of venous thrombosis, hence these are not recommended. Bromocryptine, a dopamine agonist, given 2.5 mg twice a day for 14 days can suppress lactation by producing a fall in prolactin levels. This therapy is expensive, has side effects and there may be rebound lactation once the drug is stopped. FDA no longer approves it. Pyridoxine – Vitamin B6, given 200 mg three times a day for 5-7 days is quite effective in suppressing lactation and the drug has no side effects.
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Got Wood? note : adding Bromo to your cycle only adds to the potential anabolic cascade, and potentially negative drug interactions. In medicine B6 is supposed to be as effective as Bromo. Plus vitamin B6 has few side effects.
Here are a few of many studies supporting the use of Vitamin B6 in reducing prolactin:
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J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1976 Mar;42(3):603-6
Effect of pyridoxine on human hypophyseal trophic hormone release: a possible stimulation of hypothalamic dopaminergic pathway.
Delitala G, Masala A, Alagna S, Devilla L.
A single dose of pyridoxine (300 mg iv) produced significant rises in peak levels of immunoreactive growth hormone GH and significant decrease of plasma prolactin PRL in 8 hospitalized healthy subjects. Serum glucose, luteinizing hormone LH, follicle stimulating hormone FSH and thyrotropin TSH were not altered significantly. In addition, in 5 acromegalic patients who were studied with both L-dopa and pyridoxine, inhibition of GH secretion followed either agent in a similar pattern. These data suggest a hypothalamic dopaminergic effect of pyridoxine.
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N Engl J Med 1982 Aug 12;307(7):444-5
Pyridoxine (B6) suppresses the rise in prolactin and increases the rise in growth hormone induced by exercise.
Moretti C, Fabbri A, Gnessi L, Bonifacio V, Fraioli F, Isidori A.
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Boll Soc Ital Biol Sper 1984 Feb 28;60(2):273-8
[Influence of administration of pyridoxine on circadian rhythm of plasma ACTH, cortisol prolactin and somatotropin in normal subjects]
[Article in Italian]
Barletta C, Sellini M, Bartoli A, Bigi C, Buzzetti R, Giovannini C.
The influence of vitamin B6 in a dosage of 300 mg X 2 in 24 hrs, on circadian rhythm of plasmatic ACTH, cortisol, prolactin and somatotropin have been studied in 10 normal women. After vitamin B6 24 hrs pattern of ACTH and cortisol is unchanged; prolactin levels are slightly lower, in a statistically unsignificant proportion the night peak of growth hormone is higher in a statistically significant proportion (p. 0.05). The effect of vitamin B6 is likely to me mediated by dopaminergic receptors at hypothalamic level as previous studies by other Authors appear to prove.
I really would add hcg if you could, fina for that long you will be shut down, it will be easier to come off if you start running it like pheedno said. 500ius sat/sun