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In a bulking cycle where I would like quality mass what would be better between Eq and Deca? Test -E at 600mg and Dianabol at no more than 30mg per day would be included. Any feedback or opinions on this would be helpful.
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I've always preferred EQ when I stack but I typically run it with shorter lasting esters like cyp or prop and go for the hard, lean look, not a bulking cycle. For your purposes I'd go with deca. Just make sure you keep your ratio 2/1 test/deca (600 mg test & 300 mg of deca).Quote:
Originally Posted by killabe
Thanks for the feedback! When you’ve ran EQ how long are your cycles? I see a lot of people going 16 weeks for best results.Quote:
Originally Posted by lex-ttp
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I ran EQ and sustenon for 12 weeks, I also did deca and sustenon...I think I always went back to the EQ...There was some concern I read once of EQ increasing red blood cell count to the point of too many blood cells..can someone comment on that?
It is true but not for all it does thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dzone
it will elevate your rbc more than most other compounds minus maybe drol. not to crazy as long as dosing doesnt go above 8-900. the rum with both deca or eq is normally 12-20 with most people really feeling the sweet spot around the 16wk mark. me personally if i am going with the deca route i opt for npp as opposed to straight up deca. the npp will get in faster and if an issue comes up you can drop it and it clears out quickly. with straight up deca it takes forever. both are good compounds that have stood the test of time but if you are prone to estro or water retention side effects, i would go the eq routeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dzone
I realize deca has it's downsides but for mass with test there is not much better. Yeah deca dick in some folk. Back in the early 90s it was THE go to. now it seems out of favor. Still amazing compound. Also how it helps my joints.
if you want to be vascular and gain lean muscle - go with the EQ. the deca with make you strong as an ox but it will make you hold water also.
i'd rather be veiny than bloated. IMO
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Deca and I have never gotten along well, if I use anything it's NPP. I typically go with EQ, just need to make sure your Hemo's and RBC are in check before you start. Most will donate blood before or during cycle.
Would the EQ reduce the possible bloating D-bol can cause?
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No, drink more water, Dbol and Adrol both make you retain water. I heard someone ask Dave Palumbo on one of his #ASKDAVE shows on YouTube if Winstrol would help reduce the water retention from Adrol, don't mix drugs to counteract other drug side effects, you are asking for trouble and your liver will take a hit. The water retention will subside when you discontinue the use of Dbol.Quote:
Originally Posted by killabe
Deca all day!! I suffer from high red blood cells. No more Eq for me. Ran it every cycle back in day until I finally did bloods years later.
Testosterone too high even causes hemo to rise, secondary polycythemia with an order as needed for 6 years!!!
Bloat?? I had trouble with that but not since I learned about mineral balance!!
I can use test, deca, trest ace and Anadrol but I do add mast and Proviron in that stack and potasium around 6000mg to 2200 sodium or less sodium with lots of water. Dave Palumbo on minerals too...
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Lmao!! Winny and Anadrol saw this today!! Killing liver can't help with bloat. Way better methods... hum??? Bloat or no lipids and liver.... or nutrition, I use straight deca never like NPP it gives me deca sides x2.
I front load shit out of deca for whatever reason if i use sust I bloat but only sust unless I add prop with sust. Sust still had me confused about to tiny prop just to screw up peaks and valleys. I am not an aromataser but sust causes me issue without eod pins 125mg and adding another 75 prop....
So we all respond different too. All fast esters work different and superior for me except npp!!
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I use drugs to fight sides of drugs. Asin and caber mostly. I love a 4-8 wk blast of halo and winny as well. Its a liver melter but the strength is wild. Deca adds serious mass back in the day for me. Now a days I don't get the gains from it like I used to and only sides. Eq takes forever to kick in. I think some people get anxious on it but I didn't notice. my rbc was very high after a good run at high doses. I ended the cycle and it went back to normal fairly quickly. Eq did add mass and strength for me more than deca now. And without the sides of deca I was much more comfortable over all.
yeah we are opposites on the npp and deca. same with test, i am also a non aromatiser but short esters give me issues. haha funny how the exact same things can have polar opposite effects on usQuote:
Originally Posted by Musclemechanic76
I started pinning everyday to help control the peaks and valleys, even long esters, just use a 29g 1/2" slin pin, 2ml=50mg daily (350mg weekly for now). Wish I could tolerate Deca for my joints, could use it at my age. I get issues with aromatization unfortunately, have to monitor my bloods.
Yeah I chuckled at the question when Dave answered it, crazy what some people do and how they think. Good thing for these forums now and YouTube channels discussing these topics. Just shows that we all can continue to gain knowledge and educate ourselves with AAS and mixing compounds. One thing I know about myself is less is more...high doses and I never mixed. Keep moderate doses and focus more on diet and training intensity which is more important than the drugs themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musclemechanic76
I used to run 300mg/week with 500mg/week of test with no issues at all!
I tend to run EQ a bit longer than most. I'll keep EQ in the equation for a 16 week cycle and alternate everything else. Especially in the spring when I'm trying to make lean gains. Just started after taking a few months off to unclog receptor sites before I hit it hard from now through fall. First 8 weeks I'll stack 400 mgs of EQ w/a blend of tren-a and tren-e 100 mgs each and combine with 400 mgs of cyp every 3 days. Also am taking a 6 week cycle of t3 (25 mcg then 50/75/ and leveling off at 100 mcg then back down the same way till I'm off in 6 weeks. The t3 w/the tren always gives me night sweats and shreds me like nothing else has before (except HGH). Then I'll switch to sust 600 mgs, scale back my eq to about 400 mgs and add 300 mgs of deca and take that stacked every 5 days for next 8 weeks and add 50 mgs/day of anavar to the mix to help me stay lean and hard. Nolvadex 20 mgs/day the entire 16 weeks and clomid 50 mgs/day PCT and if my boys don't drop within a couple weeks, take HCG (10000 IU kit) - 2500 IUs every 3 days over next 12 days. Then take a 3-4 week break and re-evaluate next cycle. I'm usually on at least 9 months out of 12 every year unless I have an injury that forces me to take some time off from training. But that's just me and this is this summer's/fall's plan. And nothing's set in stone. Just a guideline. Everyone's different and what works for me might not for the next guy as I'm sure you're aware but this is my tentative supplement schedule for now anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by killabe