Off cycle focus/energy/happiness

Hey everyone
I have been off here for some time now and I believe I've had posted about this before but wanted to throw it out there again.

Off cycle for 15 months now and it's been hard very hard, I've been seeing a few naturopaths and am on test cream not great but helps, messing with thyroid hormones although it seem its the only hormone my local naturopath believes in. Anyways I've been so off, tired and most of all unable to focus and grumpy. I try to sit at my computer and work and I just can't focus I lose it.
I have no clue what to do, I would be back on in as second but am trying to have a child and you Know how that goes.
Right now I'm on test cream 50mg 4 pumps Ed, 100mg t4, 50mg t3 am and pm, as well as a multi vitamin, Krill oil, 2.5 mg or cortisol, hcg 250 3xweek and my stomach pills. Oh I've also been doing vitamin Iv, one today but had not had one in 7 weeks. I was on prescription hgh but dropped that awhile ago.

I would love if anyone has had any similar experiences to tell their story and what helped and what has not.

Thank you in advance

Nix

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Never been through this but I will bump for you.

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are you prescribed the T4 and T3. I did T3 one time and immediately felt lethargic.

I decided the potential for sub optimal natty thyroid function was not worth it.

i have no clue why the doc would completely pull your trt. even with normal test levels you should still be able to use hcg to increase your counts. maybe a little clomid to the mix and see if that pushes up the numbers. probably wont make you feel any better with clomid but getting test level back to normal range should help a little bit. also what jipped said about the thyroid. may need to be adjusted one way or the other. i would find another doc

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i have no clue why the doc would completely pull your trt. even with normal test levels you should still be able to use hcg to increase your counts. maybe a little clomid to the mix and see if that pushes up the numbers. probably wont make you feel any better with clomid but getting test level back to normal range should help a little bit. also what jipped said about the thyroid. may need to be adjusted one way or the other. i would find another doc

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are you prescribed the T4 and T3. I did T3 one time and immediately felt lethargic.

I decided the potential for sub optimal natty thyroid function was not worth it.

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Yes both prescribed, I've ebeen on t4 since I was 16
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Originally Posted by guns01

i have no clue why the doc would completely pull your trt. even with normal test levels you should still be able to use hcg to increase your counts. maybe a little clomid to the mix and see if that pushes up the numbers. probably wont make you feel any better with clomid but getting test level back to normal range should help a little bit. also what jipped said about the thyroid. may need to be adjusted one way or the other. i would find another doc

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Hey man, hope your well.

We have been playing with the thyroid hence the mixed now as she says t4 can help with focus and mental clarity and best to mix with t3. I'm on 100t4 am 50 t3 am 50t3 pm, quite high, just changed form 100 t3 am and 75 t3 pm.

As for the trt, the thought is with injection you get too large of spikes and can keep you shut down where as the cream absorbs more slowly/poorly and does not spike as much in turn actually assisting the feedback loop in creating test/sperm etc. My count is visible now, far from high but it is back she may even be pregnant but just went off birth control after we got married in Sept. I am not sure you remember but post show I was on clomid it was messing with me bad, was a decent dose and for awhile, that being said I think it worked as she seemed like she had a miscarriage even on birth control. Maybe a low dose would help just unsure about the mood stuff as that's the main issue I'm trying to fix right now well slowly increasing the sperm count. Once she is pregnant I guess I should give it a few months to be a sure all is ok but will be back on and on for good for sure.
Thanks for the input and any further comments much appreciated.
Cheers and Happy Halloween
Nixx

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Originally Posted by rnixon

Hey man, hope your well.

We have been playing with the thyroid hence the mixed now as she says t4 can help with focus and mental clarity and best to mix with t3. I'm on 100t4 am 50 t3 am 50t3 pm, quite high, just changed form 100 t3 am and 75 t3 pm.

As for the trt, the thought is with injection you get too large of spikes and can keep you shut down where as the cream absorbs more slowly/poorly and does not spike as much in turn actually assisting the feedback loop in creating test/sperm etc. My count is visible now, far from high but it is back she may even be pregnant but just went off birth control after we got married in Sept. I am not sure you remember but post show I was on clomid it was messing with me bad, was a decent dose and for awhile, that being said I think it worked as she seemed like she had a miscarriage even on birth control. Maybe a low dose would help just unsure about the mood stuff as that's the main issue I'm trying to fix right now well slowly increasing the sperm count. Once she is pregnant I guess I should give it a few months to be a sure all is ok but will be back on and on for good for sure.
Thanks for the input and any further comments much appreciated.
Cheers and Happy Halloween
Nixx

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man, the cream causes way way more spikes drops and unsteady levels than injections do. it is a terrible product and especially bad since you have a woman in your house now. if you are worried about spiking and dropping you could go to an ed or eod sched with the goal of maintaining actual normal levels. 4-6-800 with 800 being on the high end. that would keep it from completely shutting you down, not to mention you are using hcg which is further surpressing you anyway. me personally i would have kept the test in and blasted the hcg much higher. doc had a friend of mine do the exact same thing. he was on 200 test c a week and was blasting up to 3000 hcg per week, alongside of clomid. got his numbers pretty high but he still couldnt conceive because of issues with her. keep messing around with stuff and getting numbers checked. you will get there will your not trying haha

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Originally Posted by rnixon

Hey everyone
I have been off here for some time now and I believe I've had posted about this before but wanted to throw it out there again.

Off cycle for 15 months now and it's been hard very hard, I've been seeing a few naturopaths and am on test cream not great but helps, messing with thyroid hormones although it seem its the only hormone my local naturopath believes in. Anyways I've been so off, tired and most of all unable to focus and grumpy. I try to sit at my computer and work and I just can't focus I lose it.
I have no clue what to do, I would be back on in as second but am trying to have a child and you Know how that goes.
Right now I'm on test cream 50mg 4 pumps Ed, 100mg t4, 50mg t3 am and pm, as well as a multi vitamin, Krill oil, 2.5 mg or cortisol, hcg 250 3xweek and my stomach pills. Oh I've also been doing vitamin Iv, one today but had not had one in 7 weeks. I was on prescription hgh but dropped that awhile ago.

I would love if anyone has had any similar experiences to tell their story and what helped and what has not.

Thank you in advance

Nix

Ps. Is this the right palfe to post this?
R

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The naturopath is interested mostly in your test level or thyroid?

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Originally Posted by guns01

man, the cream causes way way more spikes drops and unsteady levels than injections do. it is a terrible product and especially bad since you have a woman in your house now. if you are worried about spiking and dropping you could go to an ed or eod sched with the goal of maintaining actual normal levels. 4-6-800 with 800 being on the high end. that would keep it from completely shutting you down, not to mention you are using hcg which is further surpressing you anyway. me personally i would have kept the test in and blasted the hcg much higher. doc had a friend of mine do the exact same thing. he was on 200 test c a week and was blasting up to 3000 hcg per week, alongside of clomid. got his numbers pretty high but he still couldnt conceive because of issues with her. keep messing around with stuff and getting numbers checked. you will get there will your not trying haha

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Ahhh I think you are correct brother, the one naturopath even suggest to take a couple extra pumps of cream if I was going out at night. I don't drink a lot but my wedding night I did a few extra and Pumps and had alcohol, I snapped that night was pissed right off and super emotional. Strangely enough we went out the other night I did and extra 2 pumps of cream before hand had a few drinks. We had ppl at our hose one guy in didn't know and he would leave again emotional snapped kicked shim. Out after holding back as he wouldn't leave and wa super emotional again crying. I was thinking yesterday like youabr Eland the high front he cream and coming down made me. Emotional like when coming off a monster cycle I've been there, it's not mramly text that makes me emotional it's the lake of or high estrogen I think. Anyway I take to the naturopath and mentioned a friend suggested no cream and he said I could do low dose test so I think that will be a change I make very soon. I need me bakc man I cnst vene concentrate at my computer to work and it's affecting my Life big time
Thanks you so much.
Nixx

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The naturopath is interested mostly in your test level or thyroid?

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I have 2 naturopathic doctors unfortunately, the one who is pro with testosterone is in a big city far away so I use a local one for vitamin Iv and some help, she is huge on thyroid seems all she pays attention to and seems against testosterone type of hormones. My wife made a good point that she is female and thyroid Maybe plays a larger role there(although I believe thyroid issues Are less common in women?) and of course she doesn't have the experience personally or in her field with testosterone. I'm working with both trying to take both opinions without making them biased to each other. It's a challenge but Def need to get back level again. The naturopath that is pro test suggested I crank up the vitamin Iv to 3 times per week for a few weeks for therapeutic use and get my adrenals in check and a few other things like chewing the t3 especially since I take stomach pills as the t3 may not be breaking down from not enough acid. Ahhhhhhh
Hope that gives you some Insight and appreciate your input.
Cheers
Nixx

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Originally Posted by rnixon

Ahhh I think you are correct brother, the one naturopath even suggest to take a couple extra pumps of cream if I was going out at night. I don't drink a lot but my wedding night I did a few extra and Pumps and had alcohol, I snapped that night was pissed right off and super emotional. Strangely enough we went out the other night I did and extra 2 pumps of cream before hand had a few drinks. We had ppl at our hose one guy in didn't know and he would leave again emotional snapped kicked shim. Out after holding back as he wouldn't leave and wa super emotional again crying. I was thinking yesterday like youabr Eland the high front he cream and coming down made me. Emotional like when coming off a monster cycle I've been there, it's not mramly text that makes me emotional it's the lake of or high estrogen I think. Anyway I take to the naturopath and mentioned a friend suggested no cream and he said I could do low dose test so I think that will be a change I make very soon. I need me bakc man I cnst vene concentrate at my computer to work and it's affecting my Life big time
Thanks you so much.
Nixx

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Sorry for the non spell check ugh, sorry 4-6-800 mg per week max? Seems super higher and Your busy was on only 200? Doc suggest 80 2 x week so 160/week.

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Cream has been stopped and on 50mg 2 x week test c 200
1 shot in see how it goes, been feeling tired since I started it, I would not think such a low dose would affect me at all but maybe a little adjustment is happening.
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