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So I have a friend wanting to run his first cycle. He's 40 and has had kidney issues(stones)
I'm looking for advice on what he can run safely. And are orals completely a no go with kidney issues. Should he just stick with low dose test 500mg weekly? I'd really like to hear from members with similar kidney problems if possible.
Not an expert by any means but for the 1st cycle I would go test only and no oral. He should study on each compound before going to the next.
Oh yeah he should have a good AI on hand before starting.
first run at 40? and with kidney issues. first thing i would do is go in and get test levels checked and see if he can get a legit script and see what the doc says about test and his kidney issues.
if he doesnt want to do that then i would say with already having kidney issues orals will be completely and totally eliminated from the though process period. we all think of the liver when it comes to oral use but the kidneys are also processing out any and all toxins that pass thought the blood and body. so no orals or any compounds that are going to raise the bp like tren or eq. my suggestion and i am not a doc and would have a hard time helping someone knowing it could mess them up, would be test only and start low around 2-250mg per week. then monitor bp and see how they do and feel. he is 40 so 200-250 is going to give some really good results. maybe in time go up to the 4-500 range but i would play that by feel and bp response.
I would suggest seeing a doctor for test levels as well to see if he can get a script of test, but if that isn't an option then 400mg a week of something like testosterone cypionate would do just fine IMO.
I usually start a newbie on 500mg of cyp and a mild oral like 25mg var or tbol. The combo works really well for a newbie if they follow a good diet and their training is on point, I usually have them follow a 5x5 routine. I'm just not familiar with how orals would or wouldn't affect the person with kidney stones.
Thanks gunz that's the what I was thinking also as far as the orals messing with kidneys. My friend does t have insurance l, visiting doc was my first advice for him but not having insurance it would cost him a good bit by the time he did labs ect. I have a script for test cyp 200mg weekly and it cost 110$ for 4-1ml bottles. I have insurance so mines 15 . Anyways so my next option was a test cyp run of 300-500mg weekly. I think your right and a 250-300mg should work wonders in his case.i hope he gets insurance sooner or later so he can get labs run.
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labcorp has a lot of testing options, from kidney values to test levels, pretty cheap without insurance.Quote:
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What guns said yes. Test only cycles at 40 will result it great gains. Nothing crazy, 250 mg per week to start is perfect
At 40 first timer: if it was my friend I would tell them to start TRT for a least 1 year before running a Blast or Cycle. Agree with guns about blood test. 50 prop ED.
40 isnt that old and honestly i think his test levels will be "within range for his age" according to a doctor if he has never used gear before. If his only, i mean only, issue is kidney stones in the past then i dont think he will have an issue with an oral. Stones happen to a lot of people who take orals and a lot of people who dont. That said I would leave out the oral anyway and do test enan at 500mg ew. He will enjoy the benefits of his first run, so will his lady ;)
I agree with guns, and Rake, very important to test levels before. Why go in blindly? Better to start lower and increase. Use some smart sense...Keep us posted or have him join up
if your friend has issues with kidneys yeah he needs to be careful might want to get some blood work to see where is creatinine, Bun is for his kidneys creatinine is in your blood is not the best way to check your kidney health.Eat healthy drink a lot of water and Imo 500mg 250mg mon 250mg fri is fine. That's if he wants to get biggers feel better. If he wants to just use it at HRT then 250mg 300mg a week is fine
and a doc will most likely tell him no don't go on here's some androgel use at directed. Most of us 99% did a 500mg cycle at one time in our beginnings and we all I'm sure got great results
people tend to hand out haphazard and crazy advice to first timers. i heard a guy at the gym telling a youngster a long list of high mg stuff that he should start with. just like anything else you start off high and wide open where the hell do you go from there. not to mention someone that is in the decline in hormones will greatly benefit from starting super low. eh what do i know i say fill him full of orals tren and halo and screw paying 60-70 bucks to get blood work done. i stay on 10g of stuff year round no break and i never get my bloods checked.Quote:
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Great minds think alike , I asked him to join and explained how awesome the info And people are here. I hope to have him join asap
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Off topic a bit but I'm sure you all will cringe at my first cycle. I didn't know any better and was sold finaplex and winstrol
The guy who sold it to me was only in it for the cash I guess cause he didn't educate me any at all about the compounds, he just told me dosage. I gained 17lbs in 5 weeks but also got a nice lump in my right chest. Freaking a hole. That's why I joined forums and started researching. When my friends ask me about cycle advice I try to educate them as much as possible about the dangers and risk also how to properly use if they decide to. I never wanna see a friend have to deal with what I did.