Cycle decisions..HELP!

My first thought was to run Cycle1 so I could gain some lean mass and cut up a little bit. But then I started thinking, I can get enough sus to 1g/wk cheaper than the EQ would cost me..so maybe I should try to bulk up as much as I can, then cut in the summer..so I came up with cycle 2.

Cycle1:
Weeks 1-10: 600mg EQ
Weeks 4-10: 50mg Winny ED

Cycle2:
Weeks 1-10: 1050mg Sus
Weeks 4-10: 50mg Winny ED

I know I'll grow more of cycle2, but I cant make up my mind whether I should bulk or go lean..Help!

D_H

How many cycles have you run before....that's a lot of test and if you half that you can get some EQ and run a kick ass cycle. Do you have clomid?

Aragorn

I usually run test @ 600mg/wk, and I seem to decently off that, so I'm not quite sure what 1g would do to me..but I really want to find out!

D_H

Yes, I already have clomid on hand..your right, that is alot of test..here's what is going through my head..

I was hoping that if I ran 1g of Test that I could bulk up enough, so that I wouldnt really have to ever run a bulk cycle again..just cutting or mild bulk cycles..

This would be my 6th cycle..

D_H

You can't think that way think moderate, keepable gains :)

I think drop the winny and pick up some deca and run a mass cycle. Even throw some dbol in there.

Run something along these lines...

(optional)wk 1-4 dbol 50mg/ed(if your guy can get you a good price)
wk 1-12 test enth.(cheaper)500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca 400-500mg/wk(you can afford the deca if you drop the winny)
14-17 clomid therapy

It's simple but very effective.

Aragorn

What's your age, bodyweight and bodyfat?

How many cycles you have done really isn't as important as how big you are. You may be in exceptional shape and frickin' huge... naturally. But this would probably mean you also have high natural levels. The old myth that your receptors down regulate with continued cycles went away with pyramiding. But you do need more of a dose as you get bigger.

I would suggest experimenting with the higher dose using shorter esters like Test Prop or Suspension - so blood levels are easier for you to control. Plus if your last Tesosterone use was 600mg per week... you should step up slower than going straight to a 1050mg per week dose using long esters.

You could run Test Cypionate at 400mg per week and Prop 100mg EOD to get you to 750mg weekly. You can drop the Prop or increase it knowing that it is really only effective for 2 days. And stack this with the Winstrol. I would also recommend Proviron 50mg ED since you are increasing your Testosterone dose... and keep Nolvadex near by.

My last two cycles consisted of Deca/Test both at 600mg each..So I think I want to try something different this time. I think your both right though...I'm not a big guy at all, so I think 1g might be too much...I really like winny..I'm thinking maybe test/eq/winny? I can get the winny quite cheap..thats why I want to include it. Warrior, thats an excellent suggestion with the prop, but I want to keep my injections down to bi-weekly right now..

so maybe one of these...

Weeks 1-10: 600mg EQ
Weeks 4-10: 50mg Winny ED
-or-
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test
Weeks 1-10: 400mg EQ
Weeks 4-10: 50mg Winny ED

I have never run EQ before btw..what do you guys think? More suggestions are definately welcomed.

D_H

Since it's late...I'll give you a short answer;) EQ is best run at longer rates...no less then 10 weeks to really feel the affects. I'm sure more insight will be given but it damn late right now:D

Aragorn

If you are not "a big guy at all" you should probably keep weekly use under 1 gram total for now and concentrate more on hard training than extreme stacks.

I would say this:

Weeks 1-10: 600mg EQ
Weeks 1-7: 100mg Test Prop EOD
Weeks 8-13: 50mg Winny ED

Weekly totals stay at about 950 mgs. Get thick with quality gains from the Test/Eq (and nice pumps) and then lean out for the remainder. Week 14 begin Clomid. 21 days after last shot of Eq (Undecanoate).

But this would require EOD for the first 7 weeks :D

Warrior..I like that cycle..I think I just might do that!

D_H

1g would be too much

i agree with warrior on the eq prop whinny