Water Retention with Test E

Currently taking test e and tren ace and have about 5 weeks left in my cycle. I just added some winny in the mix that I had left over to help finish off my cycle. Now on hand i have some nolva and clomid for my pct. My bloating is starting to piss me off since i'm starting to retain some water in the nipple area. I have some "water shed" diuretics on hand...will this help my water problem at all or a little bit? I know usually you drink more water to retain less and thats what i have been doing lately...but since test e makes you carry more water is that a bad approach? Also if i took a small doasage of nolva for a bit would that help? But at the same time that would also hinder my gains correct? Damn you water retention!!

are you on an AI right now ? how is your estro ?

No i am not on an AI as I have already stated what I am on and what i have on hand. And what is estro??

estrogen. no AI's = high estrogen levels = bloat. you want to keep the estro in the 30's if you can. im sure yours is sky high with out an AI.

The best thing you can do is get some caber and some adex to have on hand.
Use HCG and clomid for PCT and always educate yourself and ask questions.

At this point you may either have prolactin or E2 sides it is hard to tell with the limited info given.

Look into a good AI (aromatase inhibitor) as well as some cabergoline as has been recommended. If you do hold water on test e as many do, myself included, I have found that drinking an extra half gallon of water seems to relieve the bloat. I also make sure to take a good "on cycle" support supplement daily and watch my sodium intake if water gain is appearing.

i get more water from test e than test c

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

Currently taking test e and tren ace and have about 5 weeks left in my cycle. I just added some winny in the mix that I had left over to help finish off my cycle. Now on hand i have some nolva and clomid for my pct. My bloating is starting to piss me off since i'm starting to retain some water in the nipple area. I have some "water shed" diuretics on hand...will this help my water problem at all or a little bit? I know usually you drink more water to retain less and thats what i have been doing lately...but since test e makes you carry more water is that a bad approach? Also if i took a small doasage of nolva for a bit would that help? But at the same time that would also hinder my gains correct? Damn you water retention!!

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You really do need to educate yourself better on the use of AAS. As far as I know you are issued only 1 body at birth and you need to treat it correctly.
My advice is after this cycle do not start another one until you are educated in this type of stuff.

i completely agree with dirt.. it sounds like you jumped into a cycle without knowing what you need to know or do.

Letro, Caber and Aromasin - skip the adex, to much bunk stuff right now.

Seriously?!?!?!
I'm not retaining water from test E AND I've been running it from *** for over 12 weeks now at 800mg w

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Originally Posted by WidowMaker

Seriously?!?!?!
I'm not retaining water from test E AND I've been running it from *** for over 12 weeks now at 800mg w

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That is cause this is not your 1st rodeo.
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Originally Posted by dirtwarrior

That is cause this is not your 1st rodeo.
:banana2:

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true that but with all the info is out there to read and study and people that will help you on the boards......just sayin

ok guys we all know he should have studied more so lets get past that and help him out here...do a search bro on estrogen inhibitors...Fuzo posted up an awesome one just the other day out lining all the major ones...with the tren you may need caber also if your getting progesterone sides...

This is by far not my first cycle i've done guys. This is about my 10th cycle that I've done. I've just never expeienced having a little water retention in the nipple area so I decided to ask. Even when taking 100mg of drol i never really bloat hardly. I always have letro on hand in case of signs of gyno decide to show up just never had to use it before...knock on wood.

It's a good discussion boss, no worries...

Have you ever used an AI on you past cycles? Only reason why I ask is because I have a buddy who's love the juice, and he never takes an AI...ever! Even though he doesn't follow up to date protocol, he is healthy as can be...

I've found that I only bloat if my diet goes sideways, is yours on target prince?

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Originally Posted by WidowMaker

Seriously?!?!?!
I'm not retaining water from test E AND I've been running it from *** for over 12 weeks now at 800mg w

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Some people really don't hold much water off test.. and some hold a ton....
it is probably estro (estrogen, e2, estradiol... to make it clear for OP) in his case, but may also be related to diet... I hold some, but not too much(as long as I take nolva daily, and an AI when absolutely necessary... I don't try to clear e2 to super low levels, as it hampers my gains and screws with my cholesterol.. unless I am dieting)
OP's water retention could also be related to progesterone, but that usually presents its effects with nipple puffiness before it makes 'total body' waterlog.... also, he is taking winny(which, for me, counteracts progesterone to a great degree.. as it does in a lot of people... but some people do not respond as well as others..)

given the 'perceived' lack of knowledge of OP, it is probably greatly due to diet... and to a small degree, due to excess e2, or progestin...

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Originally Posted by Polish Prince

Currently taking test e and tren ace and have about 5 weeks left in my cycle. I just added some winny in the mix that I had left over to help finish off my cycle. Now on hand i have some nolva and clomid for my pct. My bloating is starting to piss me off since i'm starting to retain some water in the nipple area. I have some "water shed" diuretics on hand...will this help my water problem at all or a little bit? I know usually you drink more water to retain less and thats what i have been doing lately...but since test e makes you carry more water is that a bad approach? Also if i took a small doasage of nolva for a bit would that help? But at the same time that would also hinder my gains correct? Damn you water retention!!

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diuretics are for shedding water... and they are nearly completely ineffective at 'hormonal' based water retention... and it surely will not help with nipple puffiness(except for a day or two... you are only covering the symptoms of the problem, not aiding in reducing/eliminating the problem)

out of anything you could take, the nolva will affect your gains the least!!! and it will have the most profound effect on nipple puffiness... but you need to follow a full protocol for antagonizing the ER/PR receptor(to shrink the puffiness), then lower total estrogen and any possible progestin(prolactin) that may also be floating around...

This is what I would recommend to a friend if he were having these issues, as I would not want my friend to have to have gyno surgically removed until/unless he is willing and ready to do so:

nolva(dose twice daily)(you didn't list dose of test, so I cannot tell you exactly how much nolva you may need to 'counteract' your issue, but if you have a decent amount of puffiness, I would begin at about 15-20mg twice daily... total daily dose: 30-40mg)... I've found twice daily dosing of nolva to 'work better'... the pdr does list half life of nolva(in women) at 5-7 days... but as we know with many things, especially hormones and ancillaries.. men metabolize them MUCH more quickly...

caber: .5mg eod(until symptoms seem to subside a little), then you can drop to .5 mg twice weekly... when puffiness is gone, you can reduce dose to .25mg twice weekly if you wish..

aromasin(or letro).. as rockshawn said, adex is a little hard to find legit sources at the moment
aromasin: 25mg twice daily(till puffiness is gone, then you can drop to either 12.5 or 6.25 eod) I would continue the AI through pct at this point, so you don't get rebound gyno(aromasin would be absolute best choice, since it is a suicidal aromatase inhibitor you will not get rebound gyno from it, as is possible with letro)

testosterone:(you can choose to try this or not, works WELL for me, and everyone I have told to try it that did try it... I've done it before when I didn't have nolva or and AI on hand to help with the puffiness) You can take a little extra test while you are waiting for the AI that you will have to order to show up(go ahead and start the nolva, and do this if you wish... post your 'feedback' if you do try this.. a lot of people don't think this would work and are 'scared' to try it...) a short ester(prop) will work best, but if all you have is test e, then you can do it with it.. just takes a few days to notice it working) I use short esters(mostly), so I will add 50mg/day or 50mg eod, to what dose I'm already taking...... for test e, you can add 100mg twice weekly(you can do just 50mg extra twice weekly, but it helps a lot more if you add 100 twice weekly)
the theory behind this: e2(estrogen) sides are somewhat ratio dependent(test/estro ratio), nipple puffiness is more dependent on this ratio than may other sides(as test is 5a reduced to DHT, which is a POTENT anti-estrogen!!! it can displace estrogen from ER(estrogen receptor) in the mammary gland quite well(hence the reason masteron works quite well as an e2 antagonist)

One other thing... you didn't mention when you started taking winny, in regard to how it correlated with nipple puffiness.... your winny may not actually be winny... methyltest is about the cheapest orally available aas, so it is often used in 'fake' oral steroids, that actually have a real aas in them, just not the one you think you are taking
if your winny is methyltest, it is being aromatized into the far more powerful 'methylestradiol'.... you may want to try halting your winny administration and see if that helps or not... Just a thought..

great post