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HELIOS- MELTING AWAY THE FAT!
Mesotherapy*(from Greek mesos, "middle", and therapy from Greek therapeia, "to treat medically") is a non-surgical cosmetic medicine treatment. Mesotherapy*employs multiple injections into subcutaneous fat.
Developed in 1952 in France by Dr. Michel Pistor, originally for the treatment of vascular and infectious diseases, sports injuries, and the improvement of circulation. this requires multiple injections of various medication*into the mesoderm, the layer of fat and connective tissue under the skin .
The theory is that when these small amounts of medication are injected into the mesoderm, something amazing occurs. We begin breaking down the fat, shrink fat cells and cellulite to improve circulation and lymphatic and venous drainage. The fat dissolves and is carried through the bloodstream and excreted by kidneys and bowel.
HELIOS specifically contains a mixture of clenbuterol hcl and yohimbine hcl, a potent beta agonist and alpha antagonist respectively.*
Clenbuterol, is a potent beta-2 agonist, which directly and strongly stimulates lipolysis very much in the same way as ephedrine does.
Yohimbine hcl' binds to the A2 receptor and blocks Norepinephrine from binding to, and antagonizing it (which inhibits the release of fatty acids). This allows for fatty acids to be burned.
These two ingredients, Yohimbine and Clenbuterol , 'speed up' the metabolism of the injected area and causing a chemical reaction that change fat cells into fatty acids, which will slip through cell membranes and into the bloodstream to be burned. Now, If you don't burn the freed fatty acids your body will store them again as fat deposits..
It is noted that spot reduction is possible through multiple local injections over a small period of time.
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Has anyone used this I always wanted to but never pulled the trigger on it
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I believe guns01 has. I will be ordering some myslf.
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Originally Posted by
FUZO
Has anyone used this I always wanted to but never pulled the trigger on it
it is by far the best fat loss product you will ever use. and it does spot reduce, i dont care what anyone says it does. that and the clen doesnt make you shake no where near as bad at the same dose. i freaking love the stuff
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You have talked me into running some.
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Is it oral or injectable?
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Originally Posted by
Ccowboy36
Sub-Q Injections
Spot reduction baby!!
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I'm super interested in the effectiveness of this product.
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Originally Posted by
macedog24
Spot reduction baby!!
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start low man. the combo of clen and yohimbine can and will make it hit really hard at first. def not for anyone with bp heart or kidney issues at all. it is fantastic though and a rare gem of a find when you get good stuff
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my first time using it i was shitting waterfalls.
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Originally Posted by
DethKlok
my first time using it i was shitting waterfalls.
injecting it gave you the shits?
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Originally Posted by
guns01
injecting it gave you the shits?
my advice is to start low with it. My heart felt like it was going to grow limbs and run out of my chest and into a marathon while the rest of me hit the shitter. As far as results go i didn't notice any spot reduction personally but that may be because i leaned out all over like a motherfucker and at a stupid fast rate.
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How often were you taking it and what dose did you start with and end with?
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macedog24
How often were you taking it and what dose did you start with and end with?
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i just noticed the dosing on your current product and that's pretty hefty. the great ones i had were half that per ml. i started at 1/2ml ed first thing in the am and never went over 1 full ml. i ran it for 12 weeks total during a prep and used keto to keep from saturating the receptors. little drastic and i could have pulled it way early but i am a creature of habit and dont like changes so i didnt pull it until the end.
if i were you i would start at 1/4 ml ed and go from there. now what i did is i started in my mid section and when that got where i wanted it, i transitioned to my upper thigh. it literally eats the fat away to stupid low levels. i would have to go back and look at my skin fold measurements but they were pretty much all in the 9-11mm ranges and within 6 weeks they all had came down to 3 or 4 in the areas i was hitting. so i can say i have first hand results with the stuff and it is fantastic. cool thing is, it doesnt take a lot to work and no way in hell i would push up to around the 80-120mcg clen like you see people do with orals. i can only imagine how that would make the heart race even splitting the dose up
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I'm definitely going to get some and run a journal of it
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FUZO
I'm definitely going to get some and run a journal of it
Awesome! Sounds great. Im in.
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Start at 10 units. Some handle it well. But several get great benefits from 10 units. Everyone will respond different.
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Sub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?
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maxseg
Sub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?
It will benefit overall. But you will notice spot reduction in the fat area you are injecting also.
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maxseg
Sub Qs, will it benefit overall fat loss or just local at injection sites?
you will see it all over man, but you will get some good results in stubborn areas that you put it in
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guns01
you will see it all over man, but you will get some good results in stubborn areas that you put it in
Exactly.
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Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???
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Originally Posted by
lex-ttp
Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???
You are smart and not using more than your body can handle. I shred like a fool on oral clen but powdered yoh hcl I get no physical changes and i get tweaked. I have not inj each individually. If you are not getting any benefit from Helios and upping the dose only makes sides unbearable you have to ask yourself if it's worth it to keep using it. Guns likes helios for prep and may have some advice that could help keep your helios run going. If it were me i would drop helios and switch to oral clen.
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Originally Posted by
lex-ttp
Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???
Ok a few things. Before i begin.
Have you ever used clen before.
Have you ever used t3 before.
Is that your first cycle?
Ha e you ever used tren before?
Thanks
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Some things may work for others but no worktfor you. Also water intake is a must healthy eating
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FUZO
Some things may work for others but no worktfor you. Also water intake is a must healthy eating
This is Exactly true., thank you.
Also, he is only about 32mcg a day of clen.
Which isnt a whole lot.
Proper Diet, and cardio still need to be followed.
But that's why i also asked about his AAS.
And t3.
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macedog24
he is only about 32mcg a day of clen.
orals & injs hit different.
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Originally Posted by
lex-ttp
Dethklok - Started my first cycle of HELIOS 15 days ago @ 1/4 cc L & R side (love handles) in conjunction w/ 25 mcg of t3 ED. worked up to .40 cc L/R side (.8 cc total) of HELIOS 3 days ago and started experiencing: shakes, shits and nausea AND haven't lost a pound yet - this is day 15! Obviously I'm going to back down the HELIOS to .35 cc L/R ED (.7 cc total) which is all my body can handle, but shouldn't I have experienced some weight loss by now? BTW - I'm also (started at same time) on 400 mg cyp Every 5 days and 100 mg tren-a Every 3 days. Where to go from here is my question???
pull the heilis dose back down like you are planning. with the yohimine in there with the clen it doesnt take as much of the helios to crank you up. that could be one of the causes of the sides. also with the t3 added in as well it could be giving you a double whammy. now as for the weight loss, obivously you have to be in or creating a cal def. if you arent then you arent going to be dropping any actual weight. now that isnt saying that you arent dropping bf and not losing any weight. get you a set of calipers and pinch where you hold the most body fat. if that number is coming down weekly then you are losing body fat.
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DethKlok
orals & injs hit different.
i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
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guns01
i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
with yoh added in there is no telling which will kill ya first. two together are very powerful. for some its simply on their cant do list.
lex- with those sides at least you know recon hooked you up : )
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Originally Posted by
DethKlok
orals & injs hit different.
They Definitely do. And add the yohimbe in there also . This hits pretty fast. But he is taking all this at once + tren a + t3. This is why i ask about these things. Especially if he is sensitive to stims.
There is a lot going on here. Just trying to get some perspective and narrow things down.
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guns01
i would like to see what would happen if someone used 120mg of clen from helios in a day like oral clen. if it didnt kill you then the shakes and lack of sleep would kick your ass for a few days
F'that. Lol.... How much you gonna pay me.
3 ml. No spank you
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All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:
Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.
Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.
Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!
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lex-ttp
All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:
Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.
Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.
Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!
Thanks for all the info.
I'd drop the dose back down. Stay there for a bit longer as long as you feel comfortable. There is no set timeframe as to how long you need to stay at any one dose. What kinda cardio you doing? Also, are you in a caloric deficit.
Its good your running t3 with tren. Are you running tren e3d for a reason. Normally eod or ed is normal. Also, are you taking an ai. Thanks.. Sorry for all the questions. Trying to see where you are and maybe give you some ideas to help with kick starting your weightloss.
How about carb cycling?
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Hey your helping me out bro, ask as many questions as you need to. I really appreciate the advice. Honestly, diet may be more of a factor than I considered after your questions today and in thinking about it. I haven't counted calories since I competed in over 20 years ago. Then I had to in order to even be able to step on stage with everyone else. Hated it then and been blessed with not having to do so since. Better living through chemicals! That is until now. And as far as your questions go:
what kinda cardio you doing? - Treadmill: 22-25 minutes/3x's week.
are you in a caloric deficit. - No. Again I don't count calories and restrict my carbs to some days 0 grams and others as much as 200 grams but nothing consistent. I tend to try to consume mostly protein and after just doing the math, my fat ass supposedly needs to maintain 2,901 calories daily to maintain my current body weight, which seems like a lot and more than I thought I currently consume on avg., but apparently not. And to be in caloric deficit I'd have to be at about 2,400-2,500 calories/day. I need to start counting calories and get a better idea about how my avg daily consumption and paying more attention to what exactly I'm ingesting in terms of protein/carbs/fats. I thought I was eating decent and consuming less than 2,900 calories daily but apparently not! Again, I never have been this over weight/had trouble losing weight when I needed to until now so this is all new to me!
Its good your running t3 with tren. Are you running tren e3d for a reason. Normally eod or ed is normal. - Yes, my ass has been a pin cushion for 31 years now, since I've been 18 yo (can't do quad, shoulder or bi IM injections, have tried all 3 and just can't!) and E3D is just easier on injection site(s). Does E3D vs EOD make that much of a difference with tren-a?
Also, are you taking an ai. - I don't know what ai is.
How about carb cycling? - answered above.
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Originally Posted by
lex-ttp
All good points and questions my brothers. I should have given a bit more info. To answer Dethklok's questions:
Have you ever used clen before. - Yes tries oral clen twice over the years and at one tab (I believe they were 40 mcgs/tab) was instantly shaking/gittery both times and only lasted a couple days before I couldn't handle it and had to get off.
Have you ever used t3 before. - Yes - one to two 6 week cycles (25 mcg start - building up to 100 mcg then cycling back down to 25 mcg to cycle off at 6 weeks per cycle) per year over past 8-10 years, most of the time successfully cutting weight using only Tiromel brand
and that being my only fat burning agent but always in conjunction with anabolics, usually test as a base and either a hardening agent like winny-v, EQ, and tren-a. This The reason I added HELIOS as an additional fat burner is because the above stack of t3 (6 week cycles)/juice cycle dad not work in terms of helping me burn the fat it always has in past and I don't know why so I thought I'd introduce an additional variable (HELIOS) to try to jump-start my metabolism. Other than coming off shoulder surgery from a year ago, in last 6 months since I've been able to get back to gym my diet and training hasn't changed, except I have 20 extra lbs. that I haven't been able to lose since my injury in last 6 months of being back in gym.
Is that your first cycle? - Answered above.
Ha e you ever used tren before? - Answered above.
Oh and guns01 - thanks for the thought bro about muscle weighting more than fat and the scale maybe not telling the whole story. I did a few local shows in my mid-twenties (I'm 49 now), do have calipers and until I injured myself a year and a half ago had a 36" waist and was pretty lean and still had visible abs (5'11'/208 lbs/9% BF). Fast forward a year and a half, have been back in gym for 6 months and my waist is 42" and I'm about 235 lbs. All my extra weight is in my stomach. I'm now officially in the worst shape of my life, with a belly I've never had and despite trying everything I can think of short of HGH, which I can't afford right now, can't seem to make any headway to lose! My life reads like a fucking country song these days, only thing missing is my dog hasn't run away yet!!!
i didn't ask you anything kid. I keep it to the question bro.
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My mistake Dethklok. I was replying to Macedog24's most recent questions (post #36).
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You are thorough lex and you are chill on FG. i would just back off the helios for a bit. i don't usually use peptides stand alone but recon sounds legit if it gives you those tweaks. If it simply doesn't agree, try clen stand alone apart from yoh. -DK