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Meeting with the Republicans yesterday was actually what I wanted to see a year ago.

He said during the campaign he would do that and never did. He even said he would meet with anyone and go line by line in the stimulis bill and he didnt he lied.

So, obie goes to talk, the repubs actually liked it. My hope is that they actually do shit togethere because both have some good ideas, and most all of these solutions are basic 101 straight down the middle stuff.

Imo all tv action just to show the people that he is willing to work with the other side because he is getting slammed in the polls and isnt going to be elected again and is going to lose the house and alot more seats in the senate,all tv bullshit for people to see.

In all honesty imho I think most americans would prefer the republicans health care ideas, they are more real, easier to implement and it at least get's you on the correct path. No one really wants more government in health care, just quit being stupid.

Like ive been saying the people have woke up finaly and will not take his bull crap anymore and the republican ideas have always been the best. But when you have a scum bag left liberal in the oval office he wont listen to anyone and he still wont listen this is all tv gimmick all news paper headlines to try and make him look good.Lets just see if any of this happens. He's a phony

and obie imho came with open hands and is trying to communicate that.

Once again you had some good stuff but just put a shoe in your ass with that quote. Trip I swear sometimes I think you do know what your talking about then sometimes I dont its amazing with what some things you will say. This fukin scum bag president never had open arms to the republicans and to listen to them how in christ can you say that he had open arms my god man

And us the Americans are paying for mean spirited stupidity.

Because of the scumbag and his liberal house and dems




[QUOTEif he was a client i'd say, hmmmmmmm, he finally get's it, he is aware, the light bulb has gone off, now all i do is set back and look for the comensurate actions that confirm progress. [/QUOTE]


BULL SHIT HE DOESNT GET IT.

Tweetthe fact is he met with them many times and talked to them many times, his critical mistake was he thought it was enough

fuzo, you see hims as a scumbag sociaist, i see him as a man trying to do his best, like i do all people, unless you prove to me you are evil, ala, bin laden

all republican ideas are not the best, if they were i guess we'd arrest gay people

the middle:

a. on abortion, hate it, yet, deal with reaility women will do it, thus, we face reality, discourage it, discourage it, monitor it and regulate it

c. gays, there are like everyone else and deserve to be treated equally in everyway......marriage is a word, with a legal definiton

d. almost all wars are stupid and illogical

e. don't spend more than you earn

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i see him as a man trying to do his best

You see him as a man trying to his best but you give him a D and thats not his best,why because he cant do better for america with his socialist ways that dont work here.He got crushed when he just met with the republicans and his answers were all bull shit. Do the fact check and you will find out blojama was wrong on answrring the republicans. This scum bag will not help america the right way. He might say it to look good but he cant fool anyone anymore

TweetWhy do we need a government run health care? Really, why?

Tweetin 1966 they decided they need one and voted it in, medicare, which was later expanded to medicaid

governments as a whole respond to the last crisis, we have social security due to the stock market crash in 1929, believe of how will old folks take care of themselves if the market can crash, obviously before then you lived off of savings and family when old

looks good when u got 10 workers per odl person, not so good now



fuzo,

lot's of folks get D's while they are doing there best

i watched his answers and the questions, overall as i said sliver of hope, bigger issues were discussed and air'd out, we will see, everyone is in a friggin corner, everyone

we got minimum of seven years of this economic crisis to come based on my anlalysis, politicians can either come to that conclusion or act stupid, only time will tell

TweetTrip if your in congress a governor or senator or even a presidetn and you get a "D" you failed. This isnt high school were a d is fine this is our government. A D is unexceptible period.

Tweetwhy do you think all the natives are restless, as you say it's unacceptable

we will see what the outcome is, heck, I haven't said anything positive about anything in a year, i thought his state of the union was very lame and said it

my tendency is too be very early in recognition of things, i can see sparks that may or may not ignite, i've done it enough, i have some confidence in it

my hope is that the republicans are as sick of the mean spirited stuff as everyone else, it does nothing too solve problems, not one thing

the whole government to me looks like two divorced parents who are never ever happy no matter what happens, like in that movie the war of the roses, i guess in that case i'm danny davito, just watching and narrating, lol

TweetTrip, I oftend wonder how you are a libertarian since you seem to agree with a lot of what Obama proposes. He is so far away from what we libertarians stand for politically.

I agree with your research about the coming foreclosures, and would add one major factor that you missed, that of the business real estate crisis that is coming. There are investors who purchased property to develop stores and offices for businesses that never leased the space, or went out of business. In some cases investors purchased large buildings too. Well, there is going to be a huge default crisis as a result, and it is already happening in some parts of the country, yet it stays out of the news I imagaine to prevent a panic. My brother who I have mentioned before is an econ professor is studying this now and called me the other day to explain it to me in detail. It is not going to be good.

Now, back to Obama and his new promises. I do not believe anything this man says for a second. He has consistently proven that he does the opposite of what he says, unless of course it is a radical leftist policy he supports. The man does not care what the Republicans think imo, and his recent meeting with them was just like Fuzo said, a publicity stunt. I actually think he is more radical than most believe, and that he is in favor of the country remaining in a crisis status to continue to grow government and have more people depending on the government. Remember when Rahm Emanuel said "you never want to let a good crisis go to waste." Democrats depend on crisis to get their radical agendas passed. I understand that you are being fair in giving him the benefit of the doubt but I would bet you will be let down once again. This is indeed the most radical left wing president this country has ever seen, even farther left than FDR.

Let's hope for the best but I can't see him changing one bit. Heck, he's even still going to pursue health care and cap and trade even though the American people have made it clear that they do not want either. That should be a pretty good indicator of his lack of consideration for the American people.

TweetAgain I just want to give jsjs a big hug because finaly a man who knows what is up about this scum bag. Thank You jsjs really

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Originally Posted by trip

the fact is he met with them many times and talked to them many times, his critical mistake was he thought it was enough

fuzo, you see hims as a scumbag sociaist, i see him as a man trying to do his best, like i do all people, unless you prove to me you are evil, ala, bin laden

all republican ideas are not the best, if they were i guess we'd arrest gay people

the middle:

a. on abortion, hate it, yet, deal with reaility women will do it, thus, we face reality, discourage it, discourage it, monitor it and regulate it

c. gays, there are like everyone else and deserve to be treated equally in everyway......marriage is a word, with a legal definiton

d. almost all wars are stupid and illogical

e. don't spend more than you earn

Trip- As I realize you study this crap more than I, but it come down to basics on most of the issues. On the subject of "A"- you are correct- I'll give you that and as far as the non-existant "B", well thats something else. Now lets ponder the rest:
"C"- they have always been treated like everyone else until they went around wantiong special treatment. What they do is a sin and a sin by the very book this country in which I call home was founded. They are NOT recognized as "married" and do not deserve the same benefits.
"D" not ALL wars are stupid, we(USA) have been involved in wars that were for the sole point of standing up for those who could not defend themselves. Maybe the reason for the war was stupid, but being in it for the right reason is not(you could view this from either direction)
"E"- tell this frickin stupid President and administration that you love so much to try this for a change. Stop taking MY tax dollars that I've already paid in and giving to those that can't manage their money then expect me to pay higher taxes to replenish what you gave away- try getting MY money you gave away back

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commercial re, well, i did not mention it cause dollar wise it's big yet not unmanage-able, what the problem in is those in the biz of developemet will have little to no bizz, all the cre from 05-07 is in big trouble, yet, most cre properties are financed every 7 years, they keep on rolling financing if they want too, lot's of properties from the 90's are utter cash whales due too refi's so cre people have a whale on oneside and a whole on the other, and few people who want too roll there loans on the latest crap, again, it's bad yet it's not like dealing with 10 million folks and banks who are understaffed, maybe 200k properties nationwide and the bulkd of the money in 10k properties, it hurts and is long lasting, yet, somewhat contained


c. deep, i don't see it as special just equal under the laws of the constitution, i understand your strong and deep beliefs on this

d. i'm not anti-war, i said "almost all"...........i'm basically on colin powells side on this

e. deep, fuzo, js............you all have strong believes you know what is in this guys heart and what is his intentions, that's fine with me, i'm just of the believe i do not know what is in peoples heart of heart

js, on my libertarian beliefs, obviously they do not meet your standards, and there's another one that is fine by me.............right now problems are on the table and certain folks have the power to solve them, just want the best solution, not some buncha bs which is how they all have operated for decades

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Originally Posted by trip

js, on my libertarian beliefs, obviously they do not meet your standards, and there's another one that is fine by me.............right now problems are on the table and certain folks have the power to solve them, just want the best solution, not some buncha bs which is how they all have operated for decades

Trip, I accept your views and party choice but am somewhat befuddled when you support some of the policies of this president.

I have not done enough on the business real estate sector but did listen to a few economists who predicted it last year and now it is coming to light. Only time will tell how bad it will be, and it may or may not be as bad as the housing market. At least, let's hope it won't be because times are bad enough already.

I truly wish this president would make some good decisions but I just don't have any confidence in him. The only thing he seems to know how to do is increase taxes and implement new ones, and regulate. Well, I am no fan of either and believe it can only lead to a longer and deeper recession. Again, only time will tell.

TweetFrom what I've seen in the last 25 years,(I'm actually 45 but didn't care about it in my youth) is extreme failures of the 2 political parties that run the show. Each blaming the former adminstration/X congress for the short comings of the lies they stated on the campaign trail to Washington. Obama blantley did it just the other night. He then laughed about it. I didn't see the humor. This 2 party majority control of our country is driving us to ruination. The American populace has grown to diversified to continue this course. It makes it to easy to divide opinions, and beliefs. I would love to see a powerful third party emerge and challenge the old school system. I just don't understand why we can't get our shit together and resolve the problem plaguing our nation. I see lobbyists and special interest groups on both sides of the aisle. Dumping tons of money to seed their demands. I see the congress greedily feasting upon the bounty of offerings. It matters little of the party, Dems or Repub. They are the same.
How to solve the current issues? Wow, that is going to be a hard one. I'd say impossible. There is no way to resolve the Afghan Issue, Iraq is almost finished, but it was completely unnecessary to invade and commence the failed policy of nation building. All that money dumped into those to conflicts could have gone a long way here at home.
**** health care. We don't need it. There are other measures already in place to cover those who cannot afford medical help.
I could care less about fags and dikes. I don't talk about my sex life in public niether should they.
Abortion is murder. If it wasn't then there would be no such thing as fetacide.
So many issues... not enough time. Back to the point.
Obama will fail, he'll be a one termer.
W failed, the only thing that saved him was the dems had absolutely no one. Yes I do blame him for our current situation. He should have done things differently. A foriegn affairs Pres always neglects the home front.
Clinton got lucky as the rest of the world was prospering, buying up American interests. Sheez you'd think people would wake up and take notice. The change we need is not to be found repeating the mistakes of the past. Change is the problem. What we need is to return to basic fundamentals that this country is founded on. Only then can we see the end of our problems. I could go on longer but it's getting late.