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Originally Posted by Klash

So your saying that you believe big government can produce economic growth?

i dunno do you see where i said that? look at my original post and tell me how it has to do with anything in what this topic has turned into?... don't get me wrong i think it has spiked a decent discussion, but yet again it turned in to a Obama trashing thread... bottom line is tomorrow night the topic in this section with be thank god he didn't win and all the McCain supporters can say see we where right and bla bla or if Obama wins they will all call BS and say it was fraud.

TweetFRAUD IS RIGHT. ACORN IS EVIDENCE OF THAT. OBAMA IS CONNECTED WITH ACORN HE DONATED $800,000 DOLLARS AND ACORN HAS ALREADY COMMITED FRAUD OVER 15 STATES.

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Originally Posted by snickers1

i dunno do you see where i said that? look at my original post and tell me how it has to do with anything in what this topic has turned into?... don't get me wrong i think it has spiked a decent discussion, but yet again it turned in to a Obama trashing thread... bottom line is tomorrow night the topic in this section with be thank god he didn't win and all the McCain supporters can say see we where right and bla bla or if Obama wins they will all call BS and say it was fraud.

Yeah it seems that is what you are implying; that's why I was asking for a confirmation.

Obama supporters have no supportive arguments for what they are doing; so in return they give those who oppose Obama, because of legitimate concerns, nothing to specifically counter. Obama is dogma; he is like a religion and his followers can't be persuaded or offer supportive arguments because they have renounced logic and are following him on faith. It is frustrating for those of us who will not do that.

Tomorrow after the election,Obama supporters will do the same thing. If you remember Gore supporters, from 2000, are still claiming fraud.

Tweetklash,

we just see things differently

big is not bad

stupid is stupid though, and that has been the government

i want smart

imho, the solutions to the problems are fairly simple, if they would just do them

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stupid is stupid though, and that has been the government

CORRECT THE DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT

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Originally Posted by trip

klash,

we just see things differently

big is not bad

stupid is stupid though, and that has been the government

i want smart

imho, the solutions to the problems are fairly simple, if they would just do them

Big is not bad? What keeps big government in check? The "living Constitution?" "The common good" "the greater good" "human rights" "too big to fail" "the unfortunate" Who defines these things? The same people that created big government? The same people who say "terrorists" have no right to habeas corpus. Who defines terrorist? Western Countries are getting so naive. They have perpetuated the idea that democracies are synonymous with freedom and people are buying into it.

Do you agree with the premise that government is a monopoly on brute force?
Do you agree with the premise that the only power government has is defining who the criminals are and what their punishment should be?

If you do not agree, I will be glad to argue these points. (To save me some time, when you think you have thought of something think back of how it was first initiated.)

Now your a psychologist, you know that people do what they perceive is in their best interest, even government employees. If a government agency has a budget of $1,000,000 everyone knows they will find a way to spend it; if they don't their budget will be more likely to be cut in the future. Maybe they hire two more employees that they really don't need to help sit around, eat and get fat.

So, tell me how big is not counter-productive.

Tweetgosh, i guess the whole world sucks

the world get's bigger everyday, it's called progress

more people, inventions etc.

big is not bad, stupid is stupid, dumb is dumb, i want smart


brute, smute,

i'm dealing with reality, we have major domo problems, i want a smart guy at the helm, not erratic folks

on a scale from 1-10 our problems our a 9

we just nationalized all the banks

we're thinking in two different worlds