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Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

lets break this one down
WHAT??? I think its been made pretty clear that they are not 100% guarantee that you won't get the flu.

Isn't the side affects of toxicity a maybe as well? More like an unlikely. The percentages are clear that you are highly unlikely to have toxicity issues or any other sides. Thats why it is approved worldwide for use.


Uhhh, thats why we have goverment to protect us overall from the enimies against us.. What exactly would you like goverment to do or what would you allow them to do?
Goverment is forcing you to pay taxes, drive 65mph on the highway and 20mph in residential neighborhoods, vaccinate your children, no drinking and driving I mean tell me when to stop.

Government is to protect our rights from assault (note: not privileges like driving). Not nanny us and force us to do what they think is best for us.

I'm not anti-vaccination but I am opposed to vaccinating just because the vaccination is available. There should be a risk analysis before giving any vaccinations. We should not cross our fingers and hope our kids don't get permanent brain damage from a vaccine. You say toxicity is unlikely but the fact that it is "unlikely" isn't very comforting to a parent that has a child that has had a permanent mental defect because of a vaccination. We should evaluate each individual, consider their immune system, their sensitivity to medicine, their environmental factors and grade the chances of them coming in contact with a particular disease and their bodies chances of coping with it before we inject formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, animal serum and/or modified disease into their bodies just hoping it doesn't cause mental retardation, seizures and/or autism; and when it comes down to it - it should be the parents decision.

I know several parents that claim immunizations adversely affected their children. I have seen several parents on t.v. and the internet that make the same claim. There are video journals on youtube of before and after vaccinations. There is the Simpsonwood conference. It is all circumstantial evidence but that mixed with what is in vaccines is enough for me. Of course, I have a natural tendency not to trust the governments competency, ethics and/or their concern for the individuals best interest. Their concern is with the donation these pharmaceutical companies give to their campaigns. And the fact that some of these guys on the drug approval board at the FDA have been shown to have conflicts of interest. I won't take the chance!

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Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

I agree in relating to adults. But seatbelts for kids should be mandatory. If you don't want to wear one as an adult and are ejected when your car rolls over and you die, at least your kids can still be put into the foster care system. I'm sure they will find a good home and be perfectly normal functioning adults.
Same point with smoke detectors. You shouldn't have the choice to protect your children or let them die aloing with you.
Now did that sink in at all???

how many personal freedoms are justified away for the sake of the children?

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Originally Posted by 3sweeties

NO, you have the same mentality as the people who seem to think that the government also knows what is best when it comes to raising childrent. I don't disagree with use seatbelts, installing smoke detectors, I disagree with allowing the government to make those decisions for me and my family. Perhaps you also thinkg that the government should monitor people who smoke in the presense of their children or feed them crappy food. Where does one draw the line? I choose to err on the side of personal freedom. Of course I'm a child of the 60's who survived without the government making sure my folks took care of me.

Very logical and well articulated - your interesting!

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Originally Posted by Klash

Very logical and well articulated - your interesting!

Thank you.

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NO, you have the same mentality as the people who seem to think that the government also knows what is best when it comes to raising childrent. I don't disagree with use seatbelts, installing smoke detectors, I disagree with allowing the government to make those decisions for me and my family. Perhaps you also thinkg that the government should monitor people who smoke in the presense of their children or feed them crappy food. Where does one draw the line? I choose to err on the side of personal freedom. Of course I'm a child of the 60's who survived without the government making sure my folks took care of me.

wELL UNFORTUANTLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO MAKE TO PERSONAL CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES and their families, they will base their decision on things like to get smokedetectors or not means no Vodka this week for mommie or Daddy.

People don't always make the best choices for thier familes due to being lazy, don't really care or they'd rather not spend the $10 on a safety item. If everyone would think rationally, then the goverment would'nt need to step in as much so thank the idiots.

Personal freedoms huh/ Yeh, I like mine but I think rationally. I lived in Florida for 37 years. Should I have the personal freedom to build my family a subpar home in regards to safety to save some money because I don't think a hurricane would ever hit us? My family don't need hurricane straps for a Cat. 5 storm. I only want to make it safe to Cat2.
If the goverment didn't step in and require builders to add these costly items, the majority of them wouldn't have due to cost. An extra $20,000 for regulated safety items could mean losing a sale. Now should this be a personal freedom or not?

I mean really, what isn't a personal frreedom? The right to bare arms is right but the goverment says Felons can't. Are they losing a personal freedom? Why shouldn't convicted felons have guns? Hunting is a personal freedom but the damn goverment in Kansas says I can only do it for 3 weeks in Dec. and Jan. damn bastards? Why because idiots will go blast every deer in site and there wouldn't be any.

Listen you as an adult, I don't give a damn if you ride without a helmet backwards for all I care, but when it comes to your children, there are some things that you shouldn't have a say in and immunizations are one of them.

They haven't proven for sure that some vaccines cause autism. That .01% chance that your child could have a neg. effect from a vaccine is scary, I've been there but the benifit far outweighs the risk.

Tweeti know here in VA i had to my son a certain shot before he could go into middle school not sure what the shot was but with out it he would not be aloud to attend school. i can't remember what it was called thou ..typical dad huh

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Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

wELL UNFORTUANTLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO MAKE TO PERSONAL CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES and their families, they will base their decision on things like to get smokedetectors or not means no Vodka this week for mommie or Daddy.

Well maybe we should just give permits to people that the government deem responsible enough to have children. The requirements could be so high that only the wealthy could afford the requirements. That way all children could have the safest cars when they get old enough to drive and go to the safest private schools and have the best health care. As long as we are shooting for this utopia, where no one experiences life.

Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

People don't always make the best choices for thier familes due to being lazy, don't really care or they'd rather not spend the $10 on a safety item. If everyone would think rationally, then the goverment would'nt need to step in as much so thank the idiots.

I think letting people believe that the government is there to protect its citizens from their own stupid decisions leads to a bunch of brain dead citizens - just look at our society. It's kind of a chicken and the egg thing. If government quit nannying citizens, people would be more responsible and independent. But you hear and see the attitude: Oh, it's FDA approved that means its fine. Oh it's on tv the FCC will protect my children. Oh the Department of Education wouldn't advocate propaganda or a biased curriculum. Oh the Highway Department would let this bridge rot. Etc.

Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

Personal freedoms huh/ Yeh, I like mine but I think rationally. I lived in Florida for 37 years. Should I have the personal freedom to build my family a subpar home in regards to safety to save some money because I don't think a hurricane would ever hit us? My family don't need hurricane straps for a Cat. 5 storm. I only want to make it safe to Cat2.
If the goverment didn't step in and require builders to add these costly items, the majority of them wouldn't have due to cost. An extra $20,000 for regulated safety items could mean losing a sale. Now should this be a personal freedom or not?

Yeah, you should be able to build a sub par home, if your not in noncompliance with an existing covenant but when you try to get insurance for your home the insurance agent should be able to tell you "I'm not insuring that" and the government should not force him to cover structures he doesn't want to and the government shouldn't pick up the tab when your house gets destroyed.

Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

I mean really, what isn't a personal frreedom? The right to bare arms is right but the goverment says Felons can't. Are they losing a personal freedom? Why shouldn't convicted felons have guns? Hunting is a personal freedom but the damn goverment in Kansas says I can only do it for 3 weeks in Dec. and Jan. damn bastards? Why because idiots will go blast every deer in site and there wouldn't be any.

I like the hunting anaology that will give me something to think about but felons first need to be redefined as people that infringe other peoples freedoms and after they rot in prison they should be able to have their guns back and their right to vote - they've done their time but that's why they should rot first.

Originally Posted by Joe Mamas Mama

Listen you as an adult, I don't give a damn if you ride without a helmet backwards for all I care, but when it comes to your children, there are some things that you shouldn't have a say in and immunizations are one of them.

They haven't proven for sure that some vaccines cause autism. That .01% chance that your child could have a neg. effect from a vaccine is scary, I've been there but the benifit far outweighs the risk.

So what your implying is government knows what is best for our children? Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi type phuckers know what's best for our kids? Load up an kid with 48 (might be 49 or 50 by now) different inoculations before the age of six just because legislators have said we have to and we all know their intelligence far exceeds that of the average citizen.

If you research the hep b vaccination and hep b disease statistics you will learn that very few people when contracting the disease have to go to the hospital (5-10%) and of the ones that go to the hospital most come home. If I remember correctly those who die from hep b is less than 1%, those who don't die, have an immunity against it for the rest of their life. Then compare that to the damages reported to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Plus take into consideration that many doctors will claim that the cases reported to VAERS are probably not all the adverse cases because most are probably classified as SIDS or believed to be coincidental. Also take the fact that there has not been a study on the effects of any vaccine on kids under the age of 5, that along with the fact that Hep b is typically an adult disease, I don't see the justification of how the benefits outweigh the risk of giving this vaccine to an infant. So why do they push the Hep b vaccination within the first weeks of an infants life and most the time before he/she even leaves the hospital for the first time - that makes no phucking sense what so ever.

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Originally Posted by snickers1

i know here in VA i had to my son a certain shot before he could go into middle school not sure what the shot was but with out it he would not be aloud to attend school. i can't remember what it was called thou ..typical dad huh

The supreme court stated a few years ago that the government school system could not force kids to be vaccinated; you just have to fill out a philosophical exemption. Sometimes the schools are not even aware of this, so if you do it you may have to inform them but then again my state only makes the exemption available at a certain time of the year so you have to keep in touch.

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Originally Posted by Klash

Well maybe we should just give permits to people that the government deem responsible enough to have children. The requirements could be so high that only the wealthy could afford the requirements. That way all children could have the safest cars when they get old enough to drive and go to the safest private schools and have the best health care. As long as we are shooting for this utopia, where no one experiences life.



I think letting people believe that the government is there to protect its citizens from their own stupid decisions leads to a bunch of brain dead citizens - just look at our society. It's kind of a chicken and the egg thing. If government quit nannying citizens, people would be more responsible and independent. But you hear and see the attitude: Oh, it's FDA approved that means its fine. Oh it's on tv the FCC will protect my children. Oh the Department of Education wouldn't advocate propaganda or a biased curriculum. Oh the Highway Department would let this bridge rot. Etc.




Yeah, you should be able to build a sub par home, if your not in noncompliance with an existing covenant but when you try to get insurance for your home the insurance agent should be able to tell you "I'm not insuring that" and the government should not force him to cover structures he doesn't want to and the government shouldn't pick up the tab when your house gets destroyed.



I like the hunting anaology that will give me something to think about but felons first need to be redefined as people that infringe other peoples freedoms and after they rot in prison they should be able to have their guns back and their right to vote - they've done their time but that's why they should rot first.




So what your implying is government knows what is best for our children? Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi type phuckers know what's best for our kids? Load up an kid with 48 (might be 49 or 50 by now) different inoculations before the age of six just because legislators have said we have to and we all know their intelligence far exceeds that of the average citizen.

If you research the hep b vaccination and hep b disease statistics you will learn that very few people when contracting the disease have to go to the hospital (5-10%) and of the ones that go to the hospital most come home. If I remember correctly those who die from hep b is less than 1%, those who don't die, have an immunity against it for the rest of their life. Then compare that to the damages reported to Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Plus take into consideration that many doctors will claim that the cases reported to VAERS are probably not all the adverse cases because most are probably classified as SIDS or believed to be coincidental. Also take the fact that there has not been a study on the effects of any vaccine on kids under the age of 5, that along with the fact that Hep b is typically an adult disease, I don't see the justification of how the benefits outweigh the risk of giving this vaccine to an infant. So why do they push the Hep b vaccination within the first weeks of an infants life and most the time before he/she even leaves the hospital for the first time - that makes no phucking sense what so ever.

very good post my friend...

Tweetonly a retard wouldn't get their kids vaccinated. i have been getting the flu shot every year for the past 10 and have never once gotten the flu or flu like effects from the shot. it's a DEAD virus they use, u can't get the disease itself as it's dead, ur body just recognizes the structure and has antibodies to fight this. believe me if the government wanted to kill you they'd utilize something easier like the water supply not a vaccination. grow up and stop watching 24 or X Files or whatever conspiracy theory you're being brainwahed by.

Tweet[QUOTE=BigDawg;868408] believe me if the government wanted to kill you they'd utilize something easier like the water supply not a vaccination.QUOTE]

theyre already doing that with fluoride....

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Originally Posted by BigDawg

only a retard wouldn't get their kids vaccinated. i have been getting the flu shot every year for the past 10 and have never once gotten the flu or flu like effects from the shot. it's a DEAD virus they use, u can't get the disease itself as it's dead, ur body just recognizes the structure and has antibodies to fight this. believe me if the government wanted to kill you they'd utilize something easier like the water supply not a vaccination. grow up and stop watching 24 or X Files or whatever conspiracy theory you're being brainwahed by.

Then call me retarded. I don't accept dogma and I don't do things that don't make sense and injecting formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury, animal serum and modified disease into an infant and continuing to inject them as a toddler for diseases that are almost impossible for them to contract until their older doesn't make any logical sense but government always seems to know best.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg

only a retard wouldn't get their kids vaccinated. i have been getting the flu shot every year for the past 10 and have never once gotten the flu or flu like effects from the shot. it's a DEAD virus they use, u can't get the disease itself as it's dead, ur body just recognizes the structure and has antibodies to fight this. believe me if the government wanted to kill you they'd utilize something easier like the water supply not a vaccination. grow up and stop watching 24 or X Files or whatever conspiracy theory you're being brainwahed by.

welp, something sure the fuk made me puke!!! 102 temp. felt like i was hit buy a truck. and previouse to that fukin shot, i NEVER got the flu. hell, i rarely get a cold! so it may be dead, but my body, appearently, dont want dead shyt injected into it. my wife got like that too, but for a week!! my kids didnt get sick....they also havnt had one sence and havnt gotten the flu