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      i feel alot better after i crack my back or go to the chiroprator. relaxes me along with a good BJ
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      my chiropractor informed me that it is ok that u crack ure back as long as u dont do it often. what ull end up doing is loosing ure muscles and tendens or whatever is ther that holds up ure next and ull be more subseptible to headaches and and neck aches especially if ure at the comp for many hours. chiropractors adjust ure back and the crackin is just a gas being released from the joints

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      Originally posted by goliath.jr
      I don't know if it's bad for you or not, but a while back I read an article that cited a study conducted on people in nursing homes. What they found was that people who had 'poped' their joints had less arthritis than those who hadn't. I dunno - I think it feels good and I'll continue to do it...

      few years back i have been told that it does crate arthritis... weired....

      and bossdj02 it's not gas that is being "release from ur joints" but the synovial fluid between ur joints... it just gets expelled for a while and then it returns back...

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      Here is a really good short artice on the subject. It briefly mentions the study I was reffering to...

      Ian A. York, Ph.D.
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      November 1995

      The question is usually, "Will cracking my knuckles cause arthritis?" and there are probably two myths given as the answer. One is "yes", and the other is "no."

      Oddly enough, medical science has not devoted great attention to this vital question. A while ago I posted some abstracts about it; more recently I read some 83% of the world's literature on this subject (the sixth paper was torn out of its binding) and the answers are far from clear.

      Two papers ([4] and [5]) were essentially case reports, or were too small to be reliable. One [2] was a larger study, one [1] was a review with some original data, and the other one [3] was a letter commenting on [2]. The first two can be pretty much dismissed; [4] simply found a guy with arthritic hands who cracked his knuckles (and had no obvious predisposing signs for arthritis) and concluded the knuckle-cracking was causative; this is a meaningless correlation.

      [5] was slightly better; they surveyed elderly people for arthritis of the hands and then asked which of them were 'habitual knuckle-crackers'. However, the numbers were too small to give much information; I also have serious questions about their method of identifying knuckle-crackers. (They found that 11 of the 23 women they asked self-identified themselves as knuckle-crackers. Perhaps I've been leading a sheltered life, but this sounds awfully high to me. Does anyone out there find that half of the little old ladies they meet habitually crack their knuckles? Perhaps their subjects took the question to mean 'Have you ever cracked your knuckles?" instead.)

      Now we get to the interesting papers. [2] looked at a larger number of people (300 people, of whom 74 admitted to being habitual knuckle-crackers - a number that sounds closer to my expectations than the previous one) and studied a variety of hand functions. Most were normal; in particular, there was no increased incidence of arthritis. However, the KC group was more prone to swelling of the hand, and also had reduced grip strength.

      When I posted the abstract to this paper, someone on the group pointed out that the KC group were also found to be more likely to be manual laborers, and noted that they therefore might have been more prone to hand trauma, which (rather than the KC itself) could have led to the hand problems. This was a fair point that wasn't addressed by the abstract, although I assumed the study would have considered this rather obvious potential confounding factor; this is why I checked the full paper. The authors do indeed consider it, and conclude that it seems unlikely, since the KC group was no more prone to trauma or hand surgery, or to other hand problems.

      However, the follow-up letter [3] makes another point - which is that the correlation doesn't demonstrate cause. The writer suggests that, for example, people with unusually loose joints may be more prone both to crack their knuckles and to joint damage because of the loose joints. This is fair too - although pretty speculative - and so the question remains open.

      One thing we can safely conclude, though, is that KC does not cause arthritis. Even in the relatively large study, the KC group was not found to be more prone to arthritis. So technically, the "no" answer is correct. However, since I doubt that most people draw a sharp distinction between developing osteoarthritis of the metacaarpophalangeal joints and chronic inflammatory damage to the ligamentous capsule of the metacarpophalangeal joint (both hurt) I don't think a "no" answer here really addresses the question.

      This brings us to the last study [1]. Here Brodeur considers some potential mechanisms by which KC could induce damage. They point out hhat the mechanism responsible for the noise - cavitation - is the same principle that causes damage to plane and ship propellers. However, a calculation of the energy released by a single crack puts it at 1/10 the level necessary to cause damage. If we accept this - and it seems reasonable - then the question becomes whether chronic low-level assault can cause damage in the long term. There's no evidence either way for this, and it's as easy to come up with rationales on both sides.

      There's another mechanism that Brodeur mentions more in passing, that I think is at least as plausible as cavitation. During the KC process, the ligaments around the joint are rapidly stretched. Could this lead to chronic damage? It seems to me that it certainly could. A similar effect strikes, for example, pitchers; the trauma involved in pitching a single game may not cause any particular damage, but as we all (where "we all" equals North American baseball fans) know pitchers' joints and ligaments are more prone to damage over the long term than are the average persons'. The stress involved in cracking a knuckle may be less than that involved in throwing a baseball 97 miles per hour, but on the other hand (Ha!) the ligaments involved are less robust, and while a pitcher may deliver some 100-odd insults to the ligaments every five days, I imagine a confirmed knuckle cracker is well above that.

      So what can we conclude? There's weak evidence for some damage to the joints; there's a reasonable, but speculative, model for the mechanism. There is hard evidence that the effect is not inevitable; not all members of the KC groups showed damage. I would conclude, personally, that it's quite likely that cracking your knuckles could lead to some unpleasantness down the road; and since there's little reason to continue an annoying and asocial habit, I'd suggest quitting. But since your loved ones have probably already suggested this many a time, it's unlikely you'll take my word for it.

      Summary: Cracking your knuckles does not cause arthritis, but it may damage your hand in other ways.

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      [1] Brodeur R: The audible release associated with joint manipulation. Journal of Manipulative & Physiological Therapeutics. 18(3):155-64, 1995

      [...] Damage Due to Habitual Joint Cracking: There has been very little work done to determine the long-term effects of habitual joint cracking. The scant literature that is available on this topic indicates that habitual knuckle cracking may have a direct effect on the soft tissue of the hands and there is a case study that indicates it may also cause damage that leads to radiologic change (17). However, there is insufficient evidence to make any conclusive statement regarding the long-term effects of habitual knuckle cracking. [review of the Swezey and Swezey report: no significant difference.] [review of the Catellanos and Axelrod report.] The knuckle crackers had approximately 75% less grip strength and a higher incidence of hand swelling. Because the average duration of the knuckle cracking habit was 35 +/- 18 years, the habit seems to have little effect on joint cartilage. The increase in joint swelling and the decrease in hand function indicates that habitual knuckle cracking has a greater effect on the soft tissue than on the bone or cartilage. However, damage to the cartilage cannot be ruled out. Watson et al [review of Watson et al.] [ ... ] Joint Damage from Habitual Joint Cracking [ ... ] Watson et al estimated the energy released by the cracking sound to be 0.07 mJ/mm3 (15). Cartilage requires impact energies on the order of 1.0 mJ/mm3 to cause damage to the articular structure and chondrocyte death (26). The effect of a single joint crack is less than 10% of this value and the energy released would be released in terms of damage to cartilage. Watson et al. argue that the effects of habitual joint cracking may be additive: the energy released during caviatation may be, over a period of time, sufficient to damage the articular cartilage (5,17,23). Although Watson et al. proposed this thery as a cause of direct damage to the joint cartilage, there is little clinical evidence to support this mechanism. [ ... other possible damage mechanisms ...] The evidence of tissue swelling with habitual joint cracking indicates that the only area of injury would be at the proposed snap-back interface between the capsular ligament and the synovial fluid. Microtrauma may occur at the portion of the ligament involved in the snap-back and excessive joint cracking may ultimately lead to swelling of the ligament. This mechanism is completely speculative, but at least it has the support of clinical evidence (19). [ ... ]
      [2] Castellanos J. Axelrod D. Effect of habitual knuckle cracking on hand function. Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases. 49(5):308-9, 1990

      Discussion The development of arthritis of the hand as a result of habitual knuckle-cracking has been considered an old wives' tale. Swezey reviewed 28 nursing home patients who could recall whether or not they had cracked their knuckles. Among these patients, a relationship between knuckle cracking and arthritis could not be found[1]. Indeed, metacarpophalangeal osteophytes were found in patients who had not been habitual knuckle crackers. Yet a bioengineering study of cracking joints suggested the potential for significant joint damage.[2] When tension is applied to the joint, cavitation occurs within the synovial fluid. This creates an unstable condition as the pressure within the bubble is lower than that of the surrounding fluid. Because the joint separation occurs at a high rate the net flow of synovial fluid is toward the low pressure regions, with a collapse of the vapour phase of the cavity. There is a release of vibratory energy, which may be responsible for the cracking sound. It is this phenomenon which is responsible for the erosion of ship propellers and the blades of hydraulic turbines.[3] Given the potential damage caused by this cavitation phenomenon, one might expect habitual knuckle cracking to cause some decrement in hand function, if not accelerate the onset of osteoarthritis of the hand. Of the 300 patients studied, 74 admitted to habitual knuckle cracking for 35 (18) years. Their sex distribution was similar to that of those denying knuckle cracking. Those patients who were habitual knuckle crackers were more likely to have swelling of the hand and lower grip strength (table 2). Other factors which might influence hand function, such as carpal tunnel syndrome, contractures, surgery or trauma to the hand, and the presence of Heberden's or Beouchard's nodes, were equally present in both patient groups. Habitual knuckle crackers however, were more likely to be manual laborers with higher incomes (tables 1 and 2). Although the cause of habitual knuckle cracking was not considered in this study, patients admitting to it were more likely to bite their nails, smoke, and drink alcohol, as were members of their families (table 2). This study suggests that although habitual knuckle cracking does not relate to osteoarthritis of the hand, it may relate to decreased hand function. Therefore, habitual knuckle cracking should be discouraged.
      [3] Simkin PA. Habitual knuckle cracking and hand function. Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases. 49(11):957, 1990

      SIR: In a recent survey Castellanos and Axelrod evaluated 300 consecutive outpatients at Mount Carmel Mercy Hospital to determine whether habitual knuckle cracking is a risk factor for hand dysfunction. They found no relation with osteoarthritis, but noted that 'knuckle crackers were more likely to have hand swelling and lower grip strength' and concluded that 'habitual knuckle cracking results in functional hand impairment. I believe they have not established cause and effect in these interesting correlations. Not everyone can crack their knuckles. Some do so with ease, whereas others are quite incapable of performing this feat. No one has determined how the joints of these groups differ. It is quite possible, for instance, that metacarpophalangeal joint laxity may both facilitate knuckle cracking and impair hand function. As this hypothesis implies that hand swelling and diminished grip occur secondary to articular structure rather than abuse, it may be that nervous citizens of Detroit can continue to crack their knuckles without fear of injury. 'Will cracking my knuckles hurt my hands?' remains a common gambit when a rheumatologist is identified as such among new acquaintances striving to make conversation. I still believe that the answer to this question is no, but perhaps it is time that we really found out.
      [4] Watson P. Hamilton A. Mollan R. Habitual joint cracking and radiological damage. BMJ. 299(6715):1566, 1989

      A 25 year old Malaysian man who habitually elicited cracking sounds from many of his joints was investigated during a study of joint cracking. He had no symptoms or obvious abnormalities of his joints, but a radiograph of his right hand showed ligamentous ossification on the ulnar side of his third metacarpophalangeal joint and chondrocalcinosis in the first and fourth metacarpophalangeal joints (figure). There was no evidence of osteoarthritis. Distraction of the articular surfaces during finger pulling lowers the pressure of the articular fluid. When the vapour pressure is reached the fluid evaporates, giving a cracking sound and forming an intra-articular bubble. Previous studies have reached conflicting conclusions about the radiological changes found in habitual finger cracking,[1,2], but we suggest that excessive joint cracking caused the changes seen in this subject, who had no signs of any other underlying disease.
      [5] Swezey RL. Swezey SE. The consequences of habitual knuckle cracking. Western Journal of Medicine. 122(5):377-9, 1975

      [ ... ] The patient population consisted of 28 persons, with an average age of 78.5 years, of whom 23 were women and 5 were men. [...] [ from Table 2: 11 women and 4 men were habitual knuckle-crackers ]

      Conclusion The data fail to support evidence that knuckle cracking leads to degenerative changes in the matacarpal phalangeal joints in old age. The chief morbid consequences of knuckle cracking would appear to be its annoying effect on the observer.
      [6] Unsworth A. Dowson D. Wright V. 'Cracking joints'. A bioengineering study of cavitation in the metacarpophalangeal joint. Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases. 30(4):348-58, 1971
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      Thought you said it was short?

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      Originally posted by BouncersBabe
      Thought you said it was short?
      It is - it's just the refrences that make it look long. I'll summarize it - knucle cracking does not cause arthritis.
      The burden of originality is one that most people don't want to accept. They'd rather sit in front of the TV and let that tell them what they are suppose to like, what they're suppose to buy, and what they're suppose to laugh at. You have Beavis and Butthead telling you what music you're allowed to like and not like, and you've got sitcoms that have canned laughter that lets you know when to laugh if you're too stupid to know when the joke is. People are too lazy and too stupid to think for themselves because America has raised them that way.

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