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      Every single mens magazine who has ever attempted to publish an article like this has started (and ended) exactly that way and is usually devoid of any real information - sometimes because someone on the editorial staff wanted to avoid putting the periodical at risk for a lawsuit; other times because the author has absolutely no clue what they’re talking about, so they cop out with this “Verbal Judo Wins The Day!” crap.

      It’s common sense - avoid fighting if at all possible. No one likes to get hit (and if you do, there’s no need to go crawling pubs to find it. There’s any number of clubs filled with rubber-suited men and women who will give you a safety word and a few bruises for the right price...). But sometimes, diplomacy erodes to a good old fashioned bust-up, or worse, your opponent is just a big bully who’s looking to drive a knuckle into your nose. In either case, you are - at some point in your life - going to be called upon to defend yourself.

      So... What to do? Well, I can’t promise that the following information will turn you into a hands-of-steel cage fighter who can handle any MMA bruiser in a back-alley match... In fact, if you’re actually in NEED of the information in this article, I can guarantee you that a trained martial artist or fighter will destroy you. But all things being equal, if you’re simply an untrained person who’s facing your schoolyard nemesis, or someone looking to simply get the basics under your belt in case something gnarly goes down, I can assure you that you’re way better off knowing this stuff than not.


      The Basics

      First, you need to know a few things:



      You are going to get hit.

      When you get hit, it does not feel good.


      Knowing and accepting those two things as fact will free your mind up enough to begin thinking about much more important stuff, like strategy and technique. If you’re petrified with fear over how much it’s going to hurt when the big bad guy hits you, you’re going to be out of focus. Thus, you'll be much more vulnerable to taking damage than if you can just accept the reality of the situation and move past it... And perhaps, walk into the situation with a bit of confidence.

      Confidence CANNOT be overvalued in a fight situation. If you walk in knowing you will win, your chances of winning are far greater... If for no other reason than the fact that you will gain a psychological edge on your opponent. If you don’t have confidence, fake it. Seriously, it’s important.

      If you’re fighting in an enclosed area, position yourself so that there is an exit to your rear. If you cannot, try to get an exit positioned to your strong side (right side, if you’re right handed, left side if you’re left handed). The ability to retreat can make the difference between getting punched and getting beat. It’s helpful to remember that “retreat” does not always mean “flee” - sometimes, you have to back off a bit to get your act together.

      If you’re a student or a frequenter of bars, you need to know that there is a very high liklihood that your fight is going to take place in the center of a huge ring of people who are chanting, yelling, screaming and whatnot. If this is the case, get to the door and get in position before they can seal it off as a crowd of spectators.

      Lastly, if you’re up against two or more guys, someone with a weapon, or other crazy situation, don’t be a hero - get the hell out of there. If you simply cannot escape, look at the end of this article in the section “Impossible Situations”.


      Your Stance

      Your stance is the way you stand and position yourself during a fight. It’s by far the most important part of your actual fighting technique. Now, this sounds like crap, but it’s absolutely true. Your base - the position of your feet and legs - determines how much power you can deliver in a blow. You should keep your feet about shoulder width apart, with your “strong” foot slightly forward. Your knees should NEVER be locked - keep them slightly bent, but not so much so that you feel a strain in your upper legs.

      As far as your “guard” goes, there are any number of techniques and positions that you could adopt, but the most simple is your strong hand in front of your face, your weak hand slightly below it guarding your chin, and your elbows very slightly pointed outward guarding your chest.



      A proper stance and guard will keep you from looking as ugly as I do


      Never, EVER drop your guard. Keep your hands in front of your vital areas at ALL times, unless actively delivering a blow or in the midst of grappling with someone.

      Keep your chin tucked to your chest as much as possible, and ALWAYS keep your eyes up and on your opponent. You will find that, if you take away the chin and neck as targets, your chances of becoming disabled (knocked out or unable to breathe) are reduced by an order of magnitude. We’ll cover more of this in “Taking A Punch” - for now, you just need to know how to stand.

      Now, with that strong foot forward, your strong-side hip is going to be slightly pointed at your opponent, and your strong hand - when you throw the punch - is going to place a lot of pressure on your strong leg. This is vital - if you can use the power of physics to align the transfer of energy from your foot, up your leg, through your hip and shoulder to your fist as you throw the punch, you will devastate your foe when you connect.

      Keep moving. Don’t dance around like a moron, or you can get tripped up and probably knocked out... But definitely keep moving to the side, occasionally changing direction. Don’t pick your feet up off the ground completely; rather, try to shuffle slightly. Stay as much of a moving target as you can without putting yourself at risk of being tripped, pushed, or otherwise taken out stupidly. You’ll DEFINITELY want to practice this in your room / garage / backyard to get the hang of it.

      Lastly... No wild blows. Don’t go into a fight flailing like a madman, trying to hit whatever you can as much as possible. You’re going to wear yourself out VERY quickly, which will leave you completely vulnerable to the patient opponent - which is completely counter to the goal of this guide, right? You want to win, not end up a bloody lump of exhausted meat on the ground. Find your target, be patient, look for openings, and deliver your blows carefully and with great purpose. And that leads me to...


      What You’re Actually Here For: How To Punch Someone

      First, the fist:



      Fold your four fingers downward into your hand

      Place your thumb on the OUTSIDE of your fingers


      Now, the particulars:

      You want to fill the space in your palm with whatever you have at your disposal - a roll of pennies, some dirt or hunks of grass... Anything to reduce the space between your fingers and the inside of your hand. If you have nothing available (or, don’t want to be accused of “dirty fighting” or whatever... But let’s face it, all’s fair when there’s no ref’s and the threat of bodily harm), try to grab the “meat” of your palm, where all those callouses are, and wrap it slightly under your fingertips.



      Mmmmmmm.... Palm meat.


      Whatever you do, do NOT fill that space with your thumb. Your thumb MUST be outside your fingers, sitting at a 90 degree angle to your index finger and bent at the second knuckle. Don’t let it stray off to the side; don’t do that little “thumb out” fist-pump swagger thing you saw DMX do in that one Jet Li movie...

      The same goes with your pinky. Some flashy morons try to show how cool they are by sticking their pinkies out in the air while waving their fists at you, like it’s wine-tasting time. Don’t be that guy. Keep your fist tight - all four fingers folded and your thumb out of the way, or they’ll be sticking WAY out... In a fiberglass cast for six to eight weeks.








      Now that you’ve made a fist, it’s time to fling it at someone. First, a word of caution (or, if you prefer, a note on technique): It is IMPERATIVE that you keep the back of your hand completely in line with your forearm at all times. Never, ever flex your wrist in any direction when delivering a punch, or you’ll break it.

      There are several types of punches, and I’m sure you can readily call to mind several types based on what you’ve seen in movies, televised boxing matches, MMA bouts, etcetera. The type of punch that I most highly advocate - especially for an untrained fighter - is a simple straight punch. Keeping the elbow bent and at a 30 - 45 degree angle to the body (and in front of your face - remember, don’t drop your guard), extend the fist forward with simultaneous extension of the elbow and the shoulder. The elbow should straighten the arm, the shoulder should deliver the force... It sounds strange, but try not to deliver force by the extension of the elbow. Let your body weight push through your shoulder into your arm. Connect the blow at the peak of extension to get the maximum force out of your blow. Connecting too soon, you'll lose power; Connecting too late, you'll throw yourself off balance.

      Hooks - the wide-sweeping side punches you see a lot of people throwing - are great for boxing or other score / tactical fighting... But they don't deliver the force a good straightforward punch will, and they're SLOW. If someone's out there scoring you on how many times you connect, sure, go for it. But otherwise, just stick to the straight punches. The same goes for uppercuts and light jabs. Stay away from those unless you've been training purposely with combinations and whatnot (which this guide assumes you're not, since you're obviously here to learn the basics. All you "trained" fighters out there, I don't need your emails about how I'm wrong to suggest avoiding these. You know what you're doing? Go for it... Otherwise...).

      Make your punches count - give a full-force blow that connects quickly at the apex of extension each and every time.


      Taking A Punch

      Have you ever seen the movie Million Dollar Baby? You know the part where Clint Eastwood tells Hillary Swank to step into a punch to minimize its effectiveness? Well, it’s 100% true. Short of simply not being there to take the punch, minimizing the distance between the point the punch was thrown and the point at which it connects will reduce the impact it can make.

      The downside is that you’ll need to retreat to set yourself up for your punches. However, that’s not necessarily a bad thing if you’re aggressive with your defense - because your opponent will do that work FOR you. If you continually turn your body into punches and step forward, they will keep backing up and backing off. This will not only give you the distance you need to throw your punches, it will also give you the opportunity to do so - each time they have to step back, they’re resetting for another attack. This is an opportune time to strike.

      Remember our discussion on stances - keep your chin tucked to your chest and keep circling your opponent. Keep them in a situation where they have to calculate movement along with distance to judge strikes. Balance is a key factor in fights, both physically and mentally - if you can keep them off-balance, the edge is yours.

      Train yourself to flex your abdominal muscles and keep your core tight on command. When your opponent goes for a solar plexus hit, if you fail to turn into it so that the blow glances off the side, you won’t lose your breath when they make impact.

      Lastly... Keep breathing, slow and purposely. Keep the oxygen going to your brain. Don’t allow yourself to lose your breath, or run low on air when you must exhale and flex your stomach to guard against a mid-blow.

      Remember this - no blow feels as bad during a fight as you think it’s going to. Your adrenaline is pumping, your nerves are spiking and your mind is racing. You simply won’t have time to feel the pain... It’s the debilitating blows you need to be weary of and guard against, and if you keep taking your opponent’s power away, they won’t be able to take you out.


      Kicking

      Just... Don’t. Seriously. It’s suicide, unless you’re highly trained - and I mean Bruce Lee caliber, or, failing that, you have an insane opportunity. Kicks are pretty much all flash and flair for your audience, and leave you VERY open to counter attacks and moves that can throw you off balance. It’s just plain stupid in a real fight situation to try doing a bunch of roundhouse nonsense.



      Not him? Don't kick.



      Elbows and Knees

      Seriously powerful blows can come from the knees and the elbows... However, they force you to be close, and you need some training to use them effectively (elbows especially, since they pretty much remove your guard when you use them). Feel free to practice these on your heavy bag (or, if you don’t have one, head up to the Salvation Army and get an old twin mattress and some duct tape - you can make one in pretty short order). Just know that they are to be used when opportunity permits, not as primary strikes.


      Grappling

      There’s a very high liklehood - especially if you keep stepping in and frustrating our opponent - that you will be taken to the ground or wrapped up in some way. This is not the end of the world, especially if you can keep your cool. So long as they’re wrapped up on you, they’re not throwing punches... It’s only when they can get you into a position of opportunity that they can strike you, so your primary goal is to GET OUT.

      If your opponent has you from behind in a standing position, there are three moves you need to be doing over and over in succession or simultaneously until you break free:



      Stomp the instep - come down as hard as you can with your heel on their instep. You will damage or disable your opponent’s foot bones and provide yourself with the ability to escape.

      Backwards Headbutt - keep flinging your skull back toward their nose. If you make contact, freedom awaits.

      Wring the fingers - don’t pull at the wrists of your opponents’ clenched hands. Get your hands around any or all of his fingers and wring the hell out of them until he either gives up or breaks one.


      If you’re on the ground and wrapped up, you need to do the following things as quickly as possible:



      Prevent the mount - don’t let them get on top of you.

      Get on your side or belly

      Scramble like hell to get out of there.


      If you end up on your belly, prevent a choke from behind by keeping your chin to your chest and keep your hands around your neck. If you start to feel punches on the back of your head, remember - minimize the distance. Try to get to your knees and get them off of you.

      If you can gain the advantage on the ground, mount the opponent and punch the face until they are incapacitated. If they’re on their belly, get around their neck and choke them until they pass out - just make DAMN sure you let go once the snorting starts (you’ll know what I’m talking about if you ever hear it). Going any further, and you could kill them. However, if this is a flee-for-your-life situation and you somehow managed to choke your opponent out, feel free to break an ankle or dislocate a knee to prevent pursuit. Do this in a high school fight, however, and you’re going to end up in juvenile hall.

      This leads me to a very important point: if you do gain the advantage in a grappling situation, do NOT perform any ridiculous moves you see on WWE or on movies and telelvision. No body slams, no DDT, no Pile Driver... That **** will seriously injure or kill someone, and there’s a very real part of fighting that you have to consider - what happens tomorrow. If you break someone’s neck and paralyze or kill them, you might be arrested or sued, and no one will let you off with “self defense” when you took the time to perform some ridiculous move on an opponent who was already disabled or overcome.

      Plus, there’s the chance that you’ll hurt yourself and lose... And again, losing is counter to the goal of this guide.


      Impossible situations

      In all of the following situations, fleeing is the optimal response. Get the hell away from the situation and live to fight another day... These situations are unfair, and to be honest, anyone putting you in these situations is out to hurt you in ways that go far beyond simple matters of pride or minor altercations.

      Assuming flight is not an option, try to keep the following in mind:



      Facing a much larger / stronger / better trained opponent: stay fast, stay away. Don’t allow them to grab you, and avoid any and all strikes if possible. Look for an equalizer - gain elevation on them, grab a weapon, throw dirt in their eyes. You need to bring them down to your level if you want to stand a chance... Otherwise, enjoy your ass-beating.

      Groups of two or more opponents: Find a corner and get into it. Don’t allow them to surround you, no matter what happens. Lash out as hard as possible at one opponent, then immediately move to your strong side and take out the next. Get one guy in front of another - try to keep yourself fighting one person at a time. Again, a weapon or equalizer of some sort should be sought. Go for one-attack-per-person until you break them up and can get out of the situation. If you do find yourself surrounded, attack the man in front of you, then immediately go for the one behind you, turning to face your left and right opponents once you can create a break in the circle.

      Opponent has a weapon: Get as many objects and as much distance between you and your opponent as possible. Find a shield or other object to deflect the force of a blunt weapon. If the weapon is a knife or other blade, you need to get it stuck in something that isn’t you as quickly as possible. Knife fights look daring and crazy in the movies, but in reality, they bleed you until you die. As an interesting experiment, get your friend to arm himself with a red marker and try to fight him without getting any ink on you. Take a look after the fight to see just how many times you would have been cut. More than once anywhere on your body, you would have died. Once anywhere in your gut, you would have died. Knife wounds are serious. Get the hell away from it.



      Final Thoughts And Tips

      It’s so important, it bears repeating - confidence wins. Go into a fight with the attitude that you’re going to get your ass kicked, and you’ll get your ass kicked. You want to win? Throw as much bravado and confidence at your opponent as you can. Even if you know they’re better, they don’t know that you realize that. Just keep roaring and flashing your feathers like nature dictates you should. At the very least, you might lose the fight, but the next guy who wants to mess with you will know you won’t go down easy and might think twice about attacking you.

      Always maintain awareness of your surroundings. Know where your exits are. Know if your opponent has friends in the crowd. Know where to grab a chair, bat, or other weapon - especially before your opponent can.

      There’s no such thing as a fair fight if there’s no money on the line or men in striped shirts judging you. You need to win. More than that, you need to not lose. These goals are paramount. Keep them in mind at all times.

      At any point you get the chance, disable your opponent. Take out the eyes. Take away the breathing passages. Remove mobility. An opponent who cannot see you cannot fight you. An opponent who cannot breathe cannot attack you. An opponent who cannot move cannot pursue you.

      Above all else, remember that standing up for yourself is hard, and sometimes it can hurt... But nothing hurts more than being someone else’s *****. And so long as you are willing to stand up for yourself, it won’t matter if you lose this one fight - you’ll win respect from your opponent and anyone else considering taking you on, and that’s worth fighting for.
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      Now I want to go get into a fist fight

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      Great read and advice for beginners fuzo! I like this article and it's filled with good info! I'm a firm believer in being very aggressive and my defense is via offensive. Almost everyone can feel it when you get to that point that "it's gonna happen" and responding then and not waiting for the attacker to react first is a must IMO. I don't mean start fight but unless your just sucker punched, blindsided your gut or brain will tell you it's reached that point that you can't walk away. It is important to dismiss the fear or nervousness that makes you hesitate at this critical moment. Being the first person to react is a huge advantage! It's about surviving and as long as you seriously feel threatened why wait til your attracted physically and take any damage? You shouldn't!

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      I read many yrs ago that whoever throws the first punch usually wins the fight 70% of the time. Who knows if it true I was a teenager but we all know if its going to happen or if we can talk our way out. I won't wait I feel like I have a better chance. That was a very good read and if I can talk my out of fight I will every time.

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      Id rather keep my teeth and such and walk away! If I get jumped different story then I come with a weapon and hunt you down. Call me a ***** or whatever but wont risk my body getting fked up cause of some fuck up scrub. Hahahahahah! Unless I know 100000% I can kick the guys ass!

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      That's a pretty dang good acrticle. Anybody that can go with you for more than a few punches, it will almost always end up getting up close and I always throw a few elbows.

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      Quote Originally Posted by juiceman View Post
      Id rather keep my teeth and such and walk away! If I get jumped different story then I come with a weapon and hunt you down. Call me a ***** or whatever but wont risk my body getting fked up cause of some fuck up scrub. Hahahahahah! Unless I know 100000% I can kick the guys ass!
      Lol I think this article was for the times you can't walk away...

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      growing up it was go for the nuts knee caps or throat if that fails gawg the eyes if that didn't work well your screwed.

      if about to be jumped and theres no way out jump on the biggest guy and start pounding usually what would happen was the rest would just watch being it was unsuspected. if all other participated well.. curl in a ball and pray.

      funny I would guage my situation by ethnicity this is not being racist

      blacks never had an issue unless they were in a group then rule one applied and worked the black folks would be like WTF an watch
      mexican and philipeno always a group they liked weapons screw drivers knives bats whatever but the actual blood shed was never as bad as it could of been. again this was the late eighties early nintys and yes they all participate in wooping your ass
      white folks 2 or 3 out of the group would jump in 1 would try to break it up the rest watched
      samoans or tongons your screwed couldn't hurt them pain made then angry even with large solid objects hated getting in fights with them my ass got messed up bad
      Chinese folks expect weapon every time. again only my experience, rather visious too might I add
      cant think of any more off the top but this is the joy of living in the inner citys lol in general fighting just sucks.

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      How To Actually Win A Fist Fight
      I am a lot different then i used to be. Before if you wanted to fight i would fight you. I always tried to throw first punch. Win some loose some but I always did better throwing first punch. Also i noticed a lot of people are all talk if you slam them one good time in the face they tend to rethink what they where saying and a lot of time it ends there.

      Now I avoid fighting at all costs. I will try and talk my way out of it and if that doesnt work I walk away. If i 100% for a fact its going down and that i need the upper hand i will hit first but now i try to avoid hitting first for the simple reason of I want to be able to claim self defense. That is very hard when you hit first.

      Another reason I avoid trying to fight is i carry everywhere I go and I live in florida and people out here are fucking crazy. I would like to avoid shooting some one if possible.

      Some pretty good tips in here though.

      I can add some to the list here from my experiences and from when i used to box.

      A lot of misconceptions are out there about how you knock someone out. You dont knock someone out simply by hitting them very hard although it helps. What actually knocks a person out is the brain bouncing back and forth off of the skull. So just remember that it will come in handy!

      Here is a video on that it gives you a great idea on what happens and what causes you to actually get "knocked out"


      As for throwing the first "punch" if you HAVE TO fight and feel like you have no choice you will want the upper hand throwing the first punch does not mean you will win but it will give you the upper hand as long as you connect. My suggestion is dont actually throw a punch. Most fights that cannot be avoided are some asshole in a bar in your face. if the guy is in your face throwing a punch might not do a whole lot of damage as it is hard to get leverage and power behind it. I suggest grabbing them by their shirt collar with both hands and as you grab you are pushing them backwards. This will throw off there balance 1 and 2 this will already start the brain in motion for the knock out. Then pull the guy back to you and use your legs and the momentum of you pulling him and head butt the shit out of him right in the nose area, you want to avoid the forehead (its hard as hell) and you want to avoid the mouth (human hours are dirty and teeth digging into your head may and probably will get infected. If this does not knock him out it may still take him out of commission or really daze the guy allowing you to A get away or b put a hurting on him.

      The other thing i suggest is actually using your palm for the first hit and thrusting your palm either in the lower jaw or the bridge of the nose. be careful not to thrust upwards and shove his nose bone into his brain and kill him.

      Another thing that can easily cause your jack to get heavily damaged, your tongue to get bit or to seriously aid you in getting knocked out is having your mouth open. Have you ever seen a video where someone if talking and they get sucker punched in the jaw while they are talking and they go down like a sack of rock? That is because the jaw is open and the jaw muscles are now clenched. If you hit someone in the jaw properly while this is happening you will cause the head to jerk heavily and it will cause that heavy movement and swishing around of the brain and knock them out.

      So when you are fighting remember to keep your mouth shut, do not speak unless its needed and clench your jaw. DO NOT BITE DOWN TO HARD! just enough to keep your jaw muscles from relaxing. Otherwise you risk braking or losing teeth or biting of you tongue.

      One thing that i see way to much in inexperienced or extremely nervous fighters is them having there arms cross or hands in there pockets, I have even seen guys pull there phones out and read texts or act like they where. KEEP YOU HANDS UP! put the phone down keep your hands out of your pockets and do not cross your amrs. Talk with your hands like you are a new yorker and keep your hands at chest height. This will give you any bit of a chance of blocking and reacting to a hit.

      As stated above have a proper stance dont lock your knees and distribute your weight. And once the punches start flying keep yor hands up! dont drop your hands to throw a kick or punch keep your face covered at all possible times!

      I love body shots they are GREAT for weakening and slowing down even the toughest guys.
      Just remember if shit gets REALLY REAL, it only takes about 10lbs of pressure to break the collar bone and nose.
      Knees also are taken out very easy by a downward kick to the top of the knee cap or on the side of the knee right where the joints meet.

      Remember when its life or death and a serious street fight with someone you dont know, there is no such thing as fighting dirty.
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      Here is an example and explanation of the headbutt i talked about
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      Here is an perfect example of the headbutt
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      One last video so you get the idea. Open handed hit. Try to use the beefy part of your palm and put your palm up so that you are hitting with the part of youe palm that is backed by your wrist and arm. This allows a nice follow through with your arm.
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      If it comes down to fighting. Hit them until one of you is knocked out, even if you know you will lose hit them any way. You can buy more teeth you can't buy back your dignity.

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      Tips for bars if bar fights find your frequently
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      If your feeling particularly hostile... Avoid paying with a card or opening a tab. Pay with cash, bad shit happens know your exits and you are gone...


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      Thats they got my buddy, he was at a bar and had an was using his card. This guy kept harassing his girl and ended up grabbing her ass, he knocked the guy out cold and took off. Cops showed up to his work the next day and arrested him. The other guy got arrested to but since my friend knocked him out that changes the law completely. Fighting can be a slap on the wrists, knocking someone out can be aggravated assault... a felony
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