Tweetill tell you what, those cheap imigrants allow me to pay them $10 to mow my lawn, and $50 to clean my house so i can lick my nuts and enjoy myself, and that is alot more important to me than your horescrap patriotism line,lol...you make me laugh...you make all of us laugh as a matter of fact,lol

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Originally Posted by bowbow

I really hope you don't believe your last sentence.

yes i do...the work ethic of today sucks.....most imigrants are happy to just be employed and bust ass to keep a job.
I run a mine with almost 300 employed and maybe out of 150 18-25 year olds, i got 5-10 that arent cry babies.....the rest complain about everything...come into work hung over...boob about breaks, and getting bad jobs....makes me sick...i dont get that from any of the immigrant workers...and yes they are legal...all have citizenship or greencards.

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Originally Posted by pigmeat

ill tell you what, those cheap imigrants allow me to pay them $10 to mow my lawn, and $50 to clean my house so i can lick my nuts and enjoy myself, and that is alot more important to me than your horescrap patriotism line,lol...you make me laugh...you make all of us laugh as a matter of fact,lol

So your selfish all about me attitude wouldn't be considered the downfall of the american economy and for that matter american society itself? It's people like yourself that think of noone else, are completely self involved, self centered, and think nothing of the repurcussions of their actions that are destroying this nation and the morals it was founded upon.

I might make many people here laugh, but they atleast know I'm a true patriot that deeply cares about the future of our country, and cares about other americans. Too bad you can't say the same thing yourself because doing so would make you hypocritical after making those last few statements!

TweetI know there are a lot of illegals here. But the truth is it's not easy to get a Green card or citizenship here. It's a LONG process. But outside of arguing what the illegal alien situation does to the economy can be argued til we're all blue in the face. Cheap labor as a rule does equal cheap work. But Unions can easily harbor a lazy mentality or mindset also. As much as even an overpaid CEO. Both are capable of not being worth there keep so to speak. This is a generalization based on human nature. But it's a mix also. There are people that are lazy that unions support just as governmental jobs do. But there are also hard workers working next to the same lazies making up for their lack.

Back to the article. It sounds like all illegals are criminals and this is far far from the truth.



Some true numbers
https://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm
At yearend 2006 there were 3,042 black male sentenced prison inmates per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,261 Hispanic male inmates per 100,000 Hispanic males and 487 white male inmates per 100,000 white males. Criminality is a cultural issue for the most part not a racial issue. The numbers of illegals here that are criminal % wise are no more or less than our own Americans Black or white. You can't label illegals in this way as there are humans with a mix if family oriented hard workers with slackers just as there is with Americans. Humans and human nature culture, thats the real issue here or at least the real issue with the point of the original article of this post.


https://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...ns/007173.html
42.7 million
The estimated Hispanic population of the United States as of July 1, 2005, making people of Hispanic origin the nation’s largest ethnic or race minority. Hispanics constituted 14 percent of the nation’s total population. (This estimate does not include the 3.9 million residents of Puerto Rico.)

64%
The percentage of Hispanic-origin people in households who are of Mexican background. Another approximately 10 percent are of Puerto Rican background, with about 3 percent each of Cuban, Salvadoran and Dominican origins. The remainder are of some other Central American, South American or other Hispanic or Latino origins. (Source: AmericanFactFinder)
This would mean 27.32 Million are actual Mexicans I assume legal or on paper.

10 million
The number of foreign-born people who were born in Mexico, by far more than any other Latin American country or any other country in the world for that matter. Other countries of birth that contribute large numbers of Hispanics are El Salvador (937,000), Cuba (925,000), the Dominican Republic (688,000), Guatemala (590,000) and Colombia (500,000). (The difference between the estimates for El Salvador and Cuba is not statistically significant.) (Source: AmericanFactFinder)
10 Million foreign born (some legal some illegal- most probably legal since this is census burea info)- 17 Million Born here I.E. Definite Citizens

Marriage
67%
The percentage of Hispanic families consisting of a married couple.
<https://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/families_households/006840.html>
Higher than national Average Family Oriented
Percentage of General population that is married: 59% (down from 62% in 1990, 72% in 1970)

In 2001, according to the U.S. Census, 43.3 percent of black men and 41.9 percent of black women in America had never been married, in contrast to 27.4 percent and 20.7 percent respectively for whites.

Health Insurance
32.7%
The percentage of Hispanics who lacked health insurance in 2005 — unchanged from 2004. <https://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/007419.html>
The ranks of those without health insurance grew from 41.2 million in 2001 to 43.6 million in 2002, according to new data the Census Bureau has just released.[1] The percentage who lack insurance rose from 14.6 percent in 2001 to 15.2 percent in 2002.

Voting
7.6 million
The number of Hispanic citizens who reported voting in the 2004 presidential election. The percentage of Hispanic citizens voting — about 47 percent — did not change from four years earlier. <https://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/voting/004986.html>


Serving our Country
1.1 million
The number of Hispanic veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces. (Source: AmericanFactFinder)

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Originally Posted by pigmeat

yes i do...the work ethic of today sucks.....most imigrants are happy to just be employed and bust ass to keep a job.
I run a mine with almost 300 employed and maybe out of 150 18-25 year olds, i got 5-10 that arent cry babies.....the rest complain about everything...come into work hung over...boob about breaks, and getting bad jobs....makes me sick...i dont get that from any of the immigrant workers...and yes they are legal...all have citizenship or greencards.

Well good job for hiring legals. Now, what does that have to do with this thread and why even throw them into the mix? Slip up and hire a crew of illegals that claim to be masters of a trade. Put them on a couple of projects unsupervised and see if my previous generalization doesn't prove common.

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Slip up and hire a crew of illegals that claim to be masters of a trade. Put them on a couple of projects unsupervised and see if my previous generalization doesn't prove common.

The below rephrase would be just as true.
Slip up and hire a crew of people that claim to be masters of a trade. Put them on a couple of projects unsupervised and see if my previous generalization doesn't prove common.

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Originally Posted by Superior1

The below rephrase would be just as true.
Slip up and hire a crew of people that claim to be masters of a trade. Put them on a couple of projects unsupervised and see if my previous generalization doesn't prove common.

That's the same logic as those that say "Well, if we get rid of the illegals that commit murder and other violent crimes, there will still be murder and violent crime." True, but at least we get rid of the worry of the crime being committed by an illegal immigrant. We benefit as a whole.

TweetThen we need to send all criminals to an island. Unfortunately most here including myself would be going.

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Originally Posted by Superior1

Then we need to send all criminals to an island. Unfortunately most here including myself would be going.

Before we do that we need to redefine [criminal]. I mentioned murder and violent crime. But first we need to get rid of the illegals.

TweetI got to thinking about that 20 million number. You would think they had a high speed freeway to get here.

I thought this figure was coincidental also.
Between 1892 and 1924, the peak years of immigration to the United States, 22 million immigrants entered the country through Ellis Island and the Port of New York.

Source: American Family Immigration History Center.

That was our Great Grand Parents.


Again the whole thing is a 'cultural class' issue regarding the whole criminality issue. If you have money you get quicker processing through INS. Since attornerie$ are involved and the thousands it takes to become 'legal' you need money. It's lthe ower class that are illegal and potentially feeding off the system, in the same way lower class citizens are feeding off the system. It's a class issue not a race issue. But it seems most people do not have clarity on what is legal or illegal status. So they just classify a race as illegal especially if they look or talk a certain way.

So maybe we should take all Hispanics with 13 tattoed on them, all Blacks with Thug Life and all Whites with a Swaztica and send them back to Mexico, Africa, and Germany? Thats the solution to Tina Gringos issue.

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Before we do that we need to redefine [criminal]. I mentioned murder and violent crime.

Understood, Overlooked murder and violent crimes.

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Originally Posted by Superior1

I got to thinking about that 20 million number. You would think they had a high speed freeway to get here.

I thought this figure was coincidental also.
Between 1892 and 1924, the peak years of immigration to the United States, 22 million immigrants entered the country through Ellis Island and the Port of New York.

Source: American Family Immigration History Center.

That was our Great Grand Parents.


Again the whole thing is a 'cultural class' issue regarding the whole criminality issue. If you have money you get quicker processing through INS. Since attornerie$ are involved and the thousands it takes to become 'legal' you need money. It's lthe ower class that are illegal and potentially feeding off the system, in the same way lower class citizens are feeding off the system. It's a class issue not a race issue. But it seems most people do not have clarity on what is legal or illegal status. So they just classify a race as illegal especially if they look or talk a certain way.

So maybe we should take all Hispanics with 13 tattoed on them, all Blacks with Thug Life and all Whites with a Swaztica and send them back to Mexico, Africa, and Germany? Thats the solution to Tina Gringos issue.

Yeah, now that's not a good view at all. You can't paint people with that brush. We have British illegal immigrants that speak in Oxford English that are criminals who need deportation just the same. They're just much fewer and farther between.

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Yeah, now that's not a good view at all. You can't paint people with that brush. We have British illegal immigrants that speak in Oxford English that are criminals who need deportation just the same. They're just much fewer and farther between.

But they are White Collar Crimes which makes it OK.