Tweet[QUOTE=mandarb11;818291]As I am not from the US I find it interesting looking into all the differences of ideas you guys have. One of the biggest ideas you guys always talk about are your rights and I find it interesting how basically each side (republicans vs democrats) interprets such freedoms. I understand both sides of the arguments, one is you do not have the right to invade my privacy and the other is well it is OK if it is for a cause. The scary thing is that with all people and especially government the more power you give to it the more it wants and will take.

I do not subscribe to the argument that we, in America, will arbitrarily begin to submit to more and more infringements on our rights if we proceed in attempting to defend ourselves. As I stated earlier, cameras watching public places, wiretaps for individuals calling countries that have ties to terror, are attempts to defend ourselves. This country is based on the individual, his/her abilities, inherent rights and responsibilities. We are a strong willed people and I do not believe that we would ever willingly be led down a primrose path into socialism, or a big brother orwellian reality some decry.
In my state, it is legal for a non-felon to carry a firearm, unconcealed, while you walk down the street. A concealed firearm requires a CCW (carrying a concealed weapon) permit, which can be obtained by non-felons that fill out a few forms, pass a background check, and pay 75$ a year. Our citizenry is very much armed, and will be in the future.

TweetWell bring that invasion of privacy for the greater good into the realm of steroids so all of us that partake in this lifestyle it will be much easier for them to ruin our lives if we do not have privacy to protect us. Lets say for the sake of arguement the terrorist threat disappeared, do you honestly think the goverment would reverse its policies? Why have they not used these new abilities to go after organized crime, kill the drug trade or any number of other acts that cause real problems in our societies. Yes the big bad terrorist is a scary thing but put into perspective what they do is minimal compared to all the lives lost due to recreationa drugs, alcohol, crime......we are killing ourselves what do we need terrorists for?

Now back to guns as I said I am pro-gun, I believe that any responsible adult should have a gun if they wish. what i am trying to point out that if you can rationalize the loss of some freedoms than you can rationalize the loss of all!

TweetYou can just about rationalize anything. That's why they censored or cut out alot of these terrorist leaders' speaches and reasoning given in interrogation and so on because to the wrong weak minded, easily influenced individual, these speakings could breed more of the Al Qaeda idea because there are people that it gets thru to as a very rational idea.
We just have to vote wisely and be careful as to what people try to throw at us as rational. There are many things that can be done to benefit within reason, and there are actions that are just plain irrational. We have to stay on top of what is reasonable and what is not, but like I said, you can rationalize just about anything.

TweetTrue enough bro, the problem is how do we get get the information we all need to make our decisions. The media, our main source of information, is very much influenced by one group or another so it leads to us having a skewed idea of what is happening in the world today. We can only make rational decisions based on the information we receive since we are not privy to it first hand. Therefore if one controls the media, one controls public opinion!

TweetI know what you're saying bro. I hear ya loud and clear. You definitely have to be careful of what media you take as truth. At least they're starting to hold some of these SOBs accountable for reporting bogus and half ass shyt that comes from poor sources which should in turn make these reporters think twice about the value of ratings compared to reporting solid, truthful info. Everything is so heavily reported and recorded now-a-days that they can dig up the truth as well as uncover the bs alot more efficiently and effectively. And with half of the media pushing one agenda and the other pushing another, that really works in the publics favor because if somebody slips on reporting, you can bet their competition is right behind them ready to tear them apart. Helps keep 'em on their toes.
There is definitely fact, fiction, and opinions. I just try to get what I can out of it. And, I pay attention to what people do, and those that are smart that tell it exactly as it is. They are out there. I try not to pay attention to the ones that just try to get their story from the leaders. They're just telling a story.

TweetThey can have all of my guns, bullets first. They will find me bleeding in a pile of hot brass. Ain't no way that I am just handing them over. Good luck coming to get them!

Tweetif this d.c gun ban passes, it can be used nation wide, it's not just for D.C.

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Originally Posted by mandarb11

Well bring that invasion of privacy for the greater good into the realm of steroids so all of us that partake in this lifestyle it will be much easier for them to ruin our lives if we do not have privacy to protect us.
1) If you are basing the goodness or ruin of your life on whether or not you can use illegal steroids to improve the superficial appearance of your body, well, then..

Lets say for the sake of arguement the terrorist threat disappeared, do you honestly think the goverment would reverse its policies? Why have they not used these new abilities to go after organized crime, kill the drug trade or any number of other acts that cause real problems in our societies.
2) The terrorist threat will not disappear. You cannot have a discussion based on impossibilities. Thats like saying, "lets say the earth is flat"..
3) Our govt has used technology to try and defeat organized crime, drug trade. The problem, as I see it with drugs is that you have a consumer demand element there, which makes it more difficult. We vote on things in this country. The people give govt their power. Stop with the conspiracy fantasies.

Yes the big bad terrorist is a scary thing but put into perspective what they do is minimal compared to all the lives lost due to recreationa drugs, alcohol, crime......we are killing ourselves what do we need terrorists for?
4) The terrorists hit the US multiple times, going back to Jimmy Carter, where dozens of our diplomats and officials were held for 444 days while Carter tried to "talk" himself out of the situation. These islamofascist animals are after US, not Canada, best I can tell. Canada, and Canadian citizens need to butt out of the US and what we do on our soil. As for killing ourselves, if we dont stay on top of these animals, kill them over there, track them here (yes, with cameras and wiretaps), they'll be doing the pizza shop bombs and car bombs like they do on the Gaza Strip, except on 5th avenue. I will not stand for that.

Now back to guns as I said I am pro-gun, I believe that any responsible adult should have a gun if they wish. what i am trying to point out that if you can rationalize the loss of some freedoms than you can rationalize the loss of all!

5) Please read my previous post about this. The USA has a long history of much backbone and fortitude. We have carried the mail for this old world for a long time. We have made sacrifices in the past, and am sure we will be willing to sacrifice, temporarily in the future. The main issue is that we stay on this offensive militarily. Bin Laden is betting that our politicians vote to pull us out of Iraq--read--Democrats. I would rather do the opposite of what Bin Laden wants. Reid has stated the war is lost (wrong-the surge is working); Murtha calls our troops murderers (wrong). Pelosi travels to Syria. Obama wants a sit down with Ahmedinijad while he invades Afghanistan. THAT is scary to me.

TweetWow bro I have to say I wish I lived in a world like your were everything is so simplistic, balck and white, good and bad. Life is not like that. Let me ask you this because it is something that puzzles me, you say in your other thread about thanksgiving that ascribe to a belief in God, I assume into the religion of Christianity. Christianity is based upon the teachings of a fellow name Jesus. Jesus taught all about love, forgiveness, turn the other cheek etc. Yet all I hear out of you is hatred, willingness to kill and ideas that it is Ok to treat our fellow humans with violence, this is not apart of any Christian teachings I know of. In fact Jesus when he was being arrested healed the ear of a solder that was arresting him, he DID NOT WANT VIOLENCE! Yet that is all I get out of your posts!

And saying that Canada and Canadians should butt out of what Americans do on their own soil is no different than saying no country has a right to interfere with any other country..........hmm that would kind of change American foreign policy if all of your countryman held to that idea!

As I recall our Canadian troops are fighting an dying in Afganistan right now, supporting our friends and allies so yes we will become targets as well due to these wars. The American economy is in its worst shape in years due to these wars, Canada and the US are huge business partners/traders so what you do in your country affects us as well.

Bro for a Christian you sure have alot of hate in your heart!

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Originally Posted by mandarb11

Wow bro I have to say I wish I lived in a world like your were everything is so simplistic, balck and white, good and bad. Life is not like that. Let me ask you this because it is something that puzzles me, you say in your other thread about thanksgiving that ascribe to a belief in God, I assume into the religion of Christianity. Christianity is based upon the teachings of a fellow name Jesus. Jesus taught all about love, forgiveness, turn the other cheek etc. Yet all I hear out of you is hatred, willingness to kill and ideas that it is Ok to treat our fellow humans with violence, this is not apart of any Christian teachings I know of. In fact Jesus when he was being arrested healed the ear of a solder that was arresting him, he DID NOT WANT VIOLENCE! Yet that is all I get out of your posts!

mandarb11, excellent post!

Tweetgee, mandbar..now youre judging me...

TweetThat is not my intention it is just a matter of curiousity to me that one can say they beleive this and that but then completely disregard these ideas when it comes to real life. I am genuinly interested as I see this type of behaviour all the time. if I start a post about religion, all these "christians" come out and say how Jesus is the saviour, etc, etc, then those same people in other posts act like they are anything but christians, too me it is hard to understand. If you beleive in a faith those beleifs are supposed to be the things that guide one throughout life, that means they influence how you treat others, what you say and most especially what you do!

To sum up Christianity in a phrase "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!" that is not the same thing as the old testaments "an eye for an eye" it means literally that you always treat others how you wish to be treated, period. Again PL456 my intention is to understand this inigma I see everywhere nowadays (always been that way if you ask me) I see people from all religions that do things constantly that do not conform to what they claim are their beleifs. But pose a question that counters their beleif system and all of a sudden everyone is a back to being a staunch believer again. These beleifs have to translate into all that we do in this life or they are useless.

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Originally Posted by mandarb11

That is not my intention it is just a matter of curiousity to me that one can say they beleive this and that but then completely disregard these ideas when it comes to real life. I am genuinly interested as I see this type of behaviour all the time. if I start a post about religion, all these "christians" come out and say how Jesus is the saviour, etc, etc, then those same people in other posts act like they are anything but christians, too me it is hard to understand. If you beleive in a faith those beleifs are supposed to be the things that guide one throughout life, that means they influence how you treat others, what you say and most especially what you do!

To sum up Christianity in a phrase "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!" that is not the same thing as the old testaments "an eye for an eye" it means literally that you always treat others how you wish to be treated, period. Again PL456 my intention is to understand this inigma I see everywhere nowadays (always been that way if you ask me) I see people from all religions that do things constantly that do not conform to what they claim are their beleifs. But pose a question that counters their beleif system and all of a sudden everyone is a back to being a staunch believer again. These beleifs have to translate into all that we do in this life or they are useless.

I push no one, so I expect not to get pushed. If someone pushes me, I push back. They did unto me...I do unto them. That's what I make of it.
I would hope, even the most biblically intent individual would protect his family and freedom, whatever it takes. Also, no man is without sin.