Tweetor, possibly, are older kids! lol. i got a problem with my oldest. he's 17, will be 18 in 6 weeks. zero responcibility, zero reliability, very immature. i cant get him to get a job. i've tried to help. i've been supportive, i've made suggestions on job hunting, i've tried the nice guy way...i've tried the azzhole way..nothing. i cant get through to this kid! he want's everyone to give. he dosnt expect to do anything to help the household out what so ever. sun. i had my young ones (8 and 11), along with my wife helping me tear down the fire pit and re-rock it with bigger rocks..it was alot of rocks, and alot of work. took about 4hrs of moving rock with the 4 of us. when we started i said hey, give me a hand with this firepit...he said ok. 15 mins later i go inside to see if he's dressed...yea, he's dressed and already had a buddy pick him up and he left!!! i was so phuqin hot! i coulda rung his neck! his mom tries to keep the peace, but i'm about to unload on this kid....wtf can i do, without risking jail time, to wake him the phuq up??!! please...suggestion's, before i end up a news story!!!