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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

No,im not a deist as I would not say Jesus did not exist.I am a realist though as I do try to base my opinions on the facts or on what makes more wense when enough facts are not available.

I agree that saying a nation is founded by Christian men is not wrong in a sense as it was formed by men and women of many releigious beliefs.I think the word "CHRISTIAN" was just used as it is and was such a huge religious following and had much influence throughout history good and bad depending.

I just believe in both science and religion and never rule out either ideas as being the answer to the un-answerable questions.I also believe to be fully whole and the best person you can be to yourself and others you have to have a certain amount of faith and not just be the byproduct of what you can prove.

deists do not say jesus did not exist, they question that he was the son of god. Even muslims don't question that jesus existed, nor jews, they just say he was not divine. Just one of the amazing people to have amazing ideas. Thomas Jefferson felt the same way, that's why he rewrote the bible to have all of jesus' teachings, he just ommitted the magical, divinity crap.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

Or, they could be completely fiction considering there is zero evidence of them.

Completely wrong.The evidence is in the exact painting and drawings that have been found.They were trying to describe something correct? You can't imagine something that you know nothing about.Primitive people drew and painted and carved what they saw,nothing more.Soooooooooooo,these things were based on SOMETHING of fact.The problem that you have believing is that there is no actual "sceintific" study on it.Unfortunately there were no scientists when these things were made so the only evidence is what we find.

The pyramids have all sorts of drawings and paintings on them.Can we prove what these apintings depict were factual? No,but we take these things as the PROOF of historical records.

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

Completely wrong.The evidence is in the exact painting and drawings that have been found.They were trying to describe something correct? You can't imagine something that you know nothing about.Primitive people drew and painted and carved what they saw,nothing more.Soooooooooooo,these things were based on SOMETHING of fact.The problem that you have believing is that there is no actual "sceintific" study on it.Unfortunately there were no scientists when these things were made so the only evidence is what we find.

The pyramids have all sorts of drawings and paintings on them.Can we prove what these apintings depict were factual? No,but we take these things as the PROOF of historical records.

so, everything ever drawn has to be real? I can draw all sorts of things that I've never seen and it doesn't make them real. It's not a stretch to put wings on people considering there were birds and humans. Are you being serious?

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

You can't imagine something that you know nothing about.

Is this a serious statement? Can you elaborate on this? It makes me wonder about dragons, vampires, werewolves, unicorns etc.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

deists do not say jesus did not exist, they question that he was the son of god. Even muslims don't question that jesus existed, nor jews, they just say he was not divine. Just one of the amazing people to have amazing ideas. Thomas Jefferson felt the same way, that's why he rewrote the bible to have all of jesus' teachings, he just ommitted the magical, divinity crap.

Wel first,id like to say that just because your closed mind does not allow you to believe in anythung that someone in a lab coat cannot prove does not mean its crap.People who do not beleive what you believe are not crap.

Secondly,it doesnt matter what religious group does not believe Jesus was not devine.Billions of people in many many religions do.The ones that fit into your beliefs or anyone elses,including Thomas Jefferson, have no more proof of whats true than anyone else does.Thats where faith comes into play.

As I said before,to me saying I believe in God but not in Jesus is contradictory.But again,thats just MAN trying to put his own beliefs into religion.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

Is this a serious statement? Can you elaborate on this? It makes me wonder about dragons, vampires, werewolves, unicorns etc.

Sure is.So what you're saying is a caveman could draw or paint a car or an airplane??? Of course they cannot. They drew what they knew and what they saw.As a "scientist" that you claim to be you must believe in this corect? Or do you feel that primitive man were writing dime store novels and scripts to Vampire,werewolf,dragon or unicorn movies?

Do you truly belive that primitive man,(which primitive doesnt mean they were from a long time ago,it means primitive thinking as well) could imagine people flying and draw or paint it or apint things that looked like flying ships?? Is that what your saying?

TweetI also believe Jefferson founded the first secular university in this country. Which is to this day a highly ranked public University know as the University of Virginia.

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

Wel first,id like to say that just because your closed mind does not allow you to believe in anythung that someone in a lab coat cannot prove does not mean its crap.People who do not beleive what you believe are not crap.

Secondly,it doesnt matter what religious group does not believe Jesus was not devine.Billions of people in many many religions do.The ones that fit into your beliefs or anyone elses,including Thomas Jefferson, have no more proof of whats true than anyone else does.Thats where faith comes into play.

As I said before,to me saying I believe in God but not in Jesus is contradictory.But again,thats just MAN trying to put his own beliefs into religion.

billions of others in different religions do not believe jesus was divine, lol. If they did, that would make them christians, and not of their religion. lol at this comment. the world is made up of 70% nonchristian, meaning 70% of the world does not believe jesus is the son of god.

Your statement about believing in god and not in jesus is contradictory illustrates your lack of understanding of world religions. Most of the world believes in god, but don't believe that jesus is his son. you do know that before jesus was born, people believed in god right? when jesus came and claimed to be the son, only some people believed him. Why do you have to believe in jesus in order to believe in god?

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

Sure is.So what you're saying is a caveman could draw or paint a car or an airplane??? Of course they cannot. They drew what they knew and what they saw.As a "scientist" that you claim to be you must believe in this corect? Or do you feel that primitive man were writing dime store novels and scripts to Vampire,werewolf,dragon or unicorn movies?

Do you truly belive that primitive man,(which primitive doesnt mean they were from a long time ago,it means primitive thinking as well) could imagine people flying and draw or paint it or apint things that looked like flying ships?? Is that what your saying?

you mean an airplane like a giant bird? I'm not sure what your point is in relation to the topic at hand.

Of course primitive man could imaging people flying, they saw birds do it all the time and probably thought man could do it if they had wings. Is that unimaginable?

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Originally Posted by exphys88

billions of others in different religions do not believe jesus was divine, lol. If they did, that would make them christians, and not of their religion. lol at this comment. the world is made up of 70% nonchristian, meaning 70% of the world does not believe jesus is the son of god.

Your statement about believing in god and not in jesus is contradictory illustrates your lack of understanding of world religions. Most of the world believes in god, but don't believe that jesus is his son. you do know that before jesus was born, people believed in god right? when jesus came and claimed to be the son, only some people believed him. Why do you have to believe in jesus in order to believe in god?

You're 100% incorrect.Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God.As well as Protestants as well as Mormons and I can go on.Its you who do not know about religion.I know many people of many different religions and the only ones I know of who do not believe that Jesus is the son of God are the Jews.

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

You're 100% incorrect.Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God.As well as Protestants as well as Mormons and I can go on.Its you who do not know about religion.I know many people of many different religions and the only ones I know of who do not believe that Jesus is the son of God are the Jews.

Catholics, Protestants, and Mormons are all Christians. Hindus,Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, Siks do not believe Jesus was Devine. Jews and Muslims do both believe in the G-d of Abraham.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

you mean an airplane like a giant bird? I'm not sure what your point is in relation to the topic at hand.

Of course primitive man could imaging people flying, they saw birds do it all the time and probably thought man could do it if they had wings. Is that unimaginable?

This statement of yours is comical.Maybe you're right,maybe cavemen were creating all kinds of stuff that we have today.I actually think I saw a drawing they made of a cell phone too.LMAO.

You're thinking with the logic of today.Things people know of today.On the same token are you saying that newborns would be creating these things as well or do they learn it as they are taught? Since primitive man could not learn about things that never existed nor could anyone teach them,I find it highly doubtfull that they would be imagining these things.You cant imagine what you dont know.

Just as I said about the drwaings and paintings of flying machines.They imagines this in your opinion? LMAO

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

This statement of yours is comical.Maybe you're right,maybe cavemen were creating all kinds of stuff that we have today.I actually think I saw a drawing they made of a cell phone too.LMAO.

You're thinking with the logic of today.Things people know of today.On the same token are you saying that newborns would be creating these things as well or do they learn it as they are taught? Since primitive man could not learn about things that never existed nor could anyone teach them,I find it highly doubtfull that they would be imagining these things.You cant imagine what you dont know.

Just as I said about the drwaings and paintings of flying machines.They imagines this in your opinion? LMAO

I question this too. All things must be imagined before they can be created. The Wright brothers imagined they could fly before they flew. Someone drew a picture of a car out their imagination before it was created.