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Originally Posted by exphys88

You sound a bit like a deist yourself.

What I meant about them being more scientific is that they valued logic, reason and rational thinking over superstition. Meaning that supernatural forces don't affect our lives including god, and that the world is a natural place w/o magic or superstition. I'm sure this is an over generalization but for the most part, they were educated scientific men who, knew all too well the problems w allowing a country to be ran be a particular religion.

My entire point, is not to say these men did not believe in god, it's obvious they did; but many of them were not Christian and fought hard to make sure that Christians would not be able to write their religion into legislation.
That's why I argue with someone who says "this is a Christian nation founded by Christian men."
It's just flat out wrong.

No,im not a deist as I would not say Jesus did not exist.I am a realist though as I do try to base my opinions on the facts or on what makes more wense when enough facts are not available.

I agree that saying a nation is founded by Christian men is not wrong in a sense as it was formed by men and women of many releigious beliefs.I think the word "CHRISTIAN" was just used as it is and was such a huge religious following and had much influence throughout history good and bad depending.

I just believe in both science and religion and never rule out either ideas as being the answer to the un-answerable questions.I also believe to be fully whole and the best person you can be to yourself and others you have to have a certain amount of faith and not just be the byproduct of what you can prove.

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

No,im not a deist as I would not say Jesus did not exist.I am a realist though as I do try to base my opinions on the facts or on what makes more wense when enough facts are not available.

I agree that saying a nation is founded by Christian men is not wrong in a sense as it was formed by men and women of many releigious beliefs.I think the word "CHRISTIAN" was just used as it is and was such a huge religious following and had much influence throughout history good and bad depending.

I just believe in both science and religion and never rule out either ideas as being the answer to the un-answerable questions.I also believe to be fully whole and the best person you can be to yourself and others you have to have a certain amount of faith and not just be the byproduct of what you can prove.

deists do not say jesus did not exist, they question that he was the son of god. Even muslims don't question that jesus existed, nor jews, they just say he was not divine. Just one of the amazing people to have amazing ideas. Thomas Jefferson felt the same way, that's why he rewrote the bible to have all of jesus' teachings, he just ommitted the magical, divinity crap.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

deists do not say jesus did not exist, they question that he was the son of god. Even muslims don't question that jesus existed, nor jews, they just say he was not divine. Just one of the amazing people to have amazing ideas. Thomas Jefferson felt the same way, that's why he rewrote the bible to have all of jesus' teachings, he just ommitted the magical, divinity crap.

Wel first,id like to say that just because your closed mind does not allow you to believe in anythung that someone in a lab coat cannot prove does not mean its crap.People who do not beleive what you believe are not crap.

Secondly,it doesnt matter what religious group does not believe Jesus was not devine.Billions of people in many many religions do.The ones that fit into your beliefs or anyone elses,including Thomas Jefferson, have no more proof of whats true than anyone else does.Thats where faith comes into play.

As I said before,to me saying I believe in God but not in Jesus is contradictory.But again,thats just MAN trying to put his own beliefs into religion.

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Originally Posted by F.I.S.T.

Wel first,id like to say that just because your closed mind does not allow you to believe in anythung that someone in a lab coat cannot prove does not mean its crap.People who do not beleive what you believe are not crap.

Secondly,it doesnt matter what religious group does not believe Jesus was not devine.Billions of people in many many religions do.The ones that fit into your beliefs or anyone elses,including Thomas Jefferson, have no more proof of whats true than anyone else does.Thats where faith comes into play.

As I said before,to me saying I believe in God but not in Jesus is contradictory.But again,thats just MAN trying to put his own beliefs into religion.

billions of others in different religions do not believe jesus was divine, lol. If they did, that would make them christians, and not of their religion. lol at this comment. the world is made up of 70% nonchristian, meaning 70% of the world does not believe jesus is the son of god.

Your statement about believing in god and not in jesus is contradictory illustrates your lack of understanding of world religions. Most of the world believes in god, but don't believe that jesus is his son. you do know that before jesus was born, people believed in god right? when jesus came and claimed to be the son, only some people believed him. Why do you have to believe in jesus in order to believe in god?

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Originally Posted by exphys88

billions of others in different religions do not believe jesus was divine, lol. If they did, that would make them christians, and not of their religion. lol at this comment. the world is made up of 70% nonchristian, meaning 70% of the world does not believe jesus is the son of god.

Your statement about believing in god and not in jesus is contradictory illustrates your lack of understanding of world religions. Most of the world believes in god, but don't believe that jesus is his son. you do know that before jesus was born, people believed in god right? when jesus came and claimed to be the son, only some people believed him. Why do you have to believe in jesus in order to believe in god?

You're 100% incorrect.Catholics believe Jesus is the son of God.As well as Protestants as well as Mormons and I can go on.Its you who do not know about religion.I know many people of many different religions and the only ones I know of who do not believe that Jesus is the son of God are the Jews.