Tweeti would most certainly deny any services as well. he should have thought about those issues prior to making the choices he did. i have no sympathy for those people that chose to drink and drive at all

TweetWhat do you? You cannot be a lawyer.

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Originally Posted by hoyle21

What do you? You cannot be a lawyer.

I am an advocate for innocent children and will fight to the death to defend them

TweetI probably need to delete this thread because it is not professional of me to go off like that, but I just needed to vent for a moment. Sorry for my rant.

TweetYou have every right to vent. I agree with Gunz and deny services to him. Your one of my best buds Dzone and as much as I wouldn't like to see you get in trouble. Although you'd probably be my first pen pal in prison if you do lol.

TweetVenting is good, and we are all on the same page brother. You did the right thing...

TweetI stand behind you on this dzone. He lost all respect when he got behind the wheel Intoxicated

TweetYou can deny service to any person for any reason you choose. Tell him you think its best if he goes to see someone else. I would do the same man.

Tweet"The single most requested topic by Ethics Scoreboard readers is in the area of criminal defense lawyer ethics: how can it be right for an attorney to defend in court an individual that he or she knows is guilty? The fact that so many Americans are perplexed by this after two centuries is an indictment of the legal profession, which has flunked its obligation to protect its role in a crucial Constitutional right by making sure that it is understood. A few years ago, Fox TV commentator Bill O'Reilly led a campaign to get California criminal lawyer Jeffrey Feldman disbarred because leaked plea bargaining sessions showed that he knew his client, child killer David Westerfield, was guilty of murder while Feldman was vigorously disputing his guilt in court. O'Reilly pronounced Feldman a liar. He was wrong, but his confusion, in this matter at least, is excusable.

To understand the criminal lawyer's ethical responsibilities, begin with this: the Founders of the American republic believed that citizens in a fair and just society shouldn't be imprisoned or punished just because the government decides they are guilty of something, whether it is murder, robbery, not paying taxes or, as with John Hancock and Samuel Adams, criticizing those in power. They wisely decided on a system that required the government to prove that an individual had committed a crime to the satisfaction of an unbiased jury. Not only that: they decided that a very high standard should be applied in determining legal guilt: "beyond a reasonable doubt," or near certainty. Why? Taking the cue from British legal scholar William Blackstone, who famously said that it was better to have ten criminals escape punishment than to have one innocent man imprisoned, uber-Founding Father Benjamin Franklin said that "… it is better one hundred guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer." Achieving this ideal means keeping the government honest: no convictions based on false or planted evidence, unreliable or lying witnesses, or confessions extracted from the accused by torture, beatings, or other forms of duress…even if the accused is, in fact guilty. All that is essential for the system to work. If we permit the government to cheat in order to imprison a guilty individual, we have no way to stop it from cheating to imprison an innocent one. Indeed, it will be impossible to tell the difference.

So regardless of whether a criminal lawyer's client is guilty of the crime he or she is being tried for or wrongly accused, the defense attorney's job doesn't change: make the prosecution prove its case with sound arguments, real evidence, and reliable testimony. In a sense, the real client of a defense attorney isn't truly the defendant at all but the integrity of democracy and the justice system. For example, O'Reilly was incensed that Feldman, while defending Westerfield, argued to the jury that the state's evidence suggested that certain persons other than his client may have killed the victim. "That's a lie!" Bill fumed, turning all red like he does when he's really upset. But it wasn't a lie: Feldman's argument was absolutely correct. The evidence in question didn't rule out other suspects. The jury would be making its decision based on false reasoning if it took the prosecution's word that the evidence only implicated Westerfield. Feldman was meeting his ethical duty to point out to the jury that the prosecution's argument was not as conclusive as it claimed. Again, his job was to make the prosecution prove its case.

Feldman did his job, and the prosecution and jury did theirs: David Westerfield was convicted. But what about the equally guilty O.J. Simpson, who was acquitted? If the late Johnny Cochran and the rest of O.J.'s legal team knew he was guilty, didn't they knowingly perpetrate a terrible miscarriage of justice. Didn't they willingly let a double murderer loose on the golf courses of Florida and California? How can that be ethical?

Of course, we don't know if Simpson's lawyers "knew" he was guilty. Many defense attorneys don't want to know, because knowing can make it harder (or impossible) for them to do their jobs. It can be difficult to point out flaws in the prosecution's case if you are hoping that the prosecution puts on a slam dunk case and the homicidal monster sitting next to you gets locked up for good as a result. And many defense lawyers set out to convince themselves of a defendant's innocence, no matter how unlikely, because such a mindset helps them make sure that they won't subconsciously do a sub-par job out of sympathy for the victims or revulsion for their client.

But even assuming that the Simpson legal team was certain that O.J. hacked Nicole Simpson and Ron Brown to death, they had reason to sleep soundly on the night after the acquittal. They held up their end of the Constitutional directive. They ensured O.J. a fair trial, which every American from Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer to Michael Jackson and Martha Stewart to you and I, must have before the government takes away our freedom. In the O.J. Simpson case the prosecution was amateurish, the police were inept, the judge was unable to control the trial, and the jury simply didn't have the ability to follow a case that had too much evidence and too many witnesses, that went on far too long, and, most crucial of all, had a defendant that the jurors thought they "knew" because he was a celebrity. Arguably every componant of the Simpson trial except the defense performed badly, and some aspects of the trial might support arguments for reform, but the failings of the rest are not the fault or the responsibility of Simpson's defense attorneys.

Criminal defense attorneys have an unimaginably difficult task, as stressful and emotionally challenging as that of a surgeon who must hold life in his hands, and be able to watch a patient die under his scalpel and return to operate again the next day. It doesn't produce satisfaction or joy when defense attorneys see their guilty criminal clients go free, guaranteed by the Constitutional prohibition against "double jeopardy" never to have to suffer punishment for terrible crimes. But unless defense attorneys do their jobs well enough that this can happen when the prosecution or jury don't perform theirs, democracy dies. Individuals accused of crimes become helpless, completely dependent on the good faith and competence of police and prosecutors for their fate. The individual, guilty or guiltless, becomes powerless, and the Founders' dream is betrayed.

Many attorneys can't handle the complex ethical balancing that criminal defense work requires. I left criminal practice because I couldn't. But they are not the villains and liars of the American justice system; they are its ethical heroes. Their zeal in making sure that citizens lose their freedom only when there is strong evidence to justify it protects all of us, and we owe them our gratitude, and perhaps some day, our lives."

https://www.ethicsscoreboard.com/list/defense.html

TweetThanks for your concern , hoyle, But Im not an attorney. Apparently you thought I needed to be chastised

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Originally Posted by jamescb77

You can deny service to any person for any reason you choose. Tell him you think its best if he goes to see someone else. I would do the same man.

Exactly james. Intend to do just that ,in a calm and firm manner. Im not going to make a big deal of it because I have important work to do tomorrow and refuse to let this person spoil my good mood.

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Originally Posted by MrzDiva

You have every right to vent. I agree with Gunz and deny services to him. Your one of my best buds Dzone and as much as I wouldn't like to see you get in trouble. Although you'd probably be my first pen pal in prison if you do lol.

LOL..thanks Mrz Diva! Youre awesome.
This guys mug shot has been in the newspaper many times and he looks like a thug. The details of this tragedy were so horrific and I see the memorial at the intersection all the time. Makes you want to cry.
This guy not only drove drunk, but went 100 mph

Tweetd...your a fine bro, of great moral fibre!! i'm proud to call you a friend and you can rant your azz off here for as long and often as you need to brother!!! thats what we are all here for...support!! i may joke and jack around on here...... but i can be serious...and i agree with you 100% brother!! good man!!