There is no safe level of alchohol

**ketsugo** · 07-11-2011, 10:25 AM

There is no safe dose of alcohol for these reasons:
• Alcohol is a toxin that kills cells such as microorganisms, which is why we use it to preserve food and sterilise skin, needles etc. Alcohol kills humans too. A dose only four times as high as the amount that would make blood levels exceed drink-driving limits in the UK can kill. The toxicity of alcohol is worsened because in order for it to be cleared from the body it has to be metabolised to acetaldehyde, an even more toxic substance. Any food or drink contaminated with the amount of acetaldehyde that a unit of alcohol produces would be immediately banned as having an unacceptable health risk.
• Although most people do not become addicted to alcohol on their first drink, a small proportion do. As a clinical psychiatrist who has worked with alcoholics for more than 30 years, I have seen many people who have experienced a strong liking of alcohol from their very first exposure and then gone on to become addicted to it. We cannot at present predict who these people will be, so any exposure to alcohol runs the risk of producing addiction in some users.
• The supposed cardiovascular benefits of a low level of alcohol intake in some middle-aged men cannot be taken as proof that alcohol is beneficial. To do that one would need a randomised trial where part of this group drink no alcohol, others drink in small amounts and others more heavily. Until this experiment has been done we don't have proof that alcohol has health benefits. A recent example of where an epidemiological association was found not to be true when tested properly was hormone replacement therapy. Population observations suggested that HRT was beneficial for post-menopausal women, but when controlled trials were conducted it was found to cause more harm than good.
• For all other diseases associated with alcohol there is no evidence of any benefit of low alcohol intake – the risks of accidents, cancer, ulcers etc rise inexorably with intake.
Hopefully these observations will help bring some honesty to the debate about alcohol, which kills up to 40,000 people a year in the UK and over 2.25 million worldwide in the latest 2011 WHO report.
We must not allow apologists for this toxic industry to pull the wool over our eyes with their myth of a safe alcohol dose, however appealing it might be to all us so-called "safe" drinkers. Remember these words of a man whose great family wealth and influence was built on illegal alcohol:
"The great enemy of the truth, is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." John F Kennedy
David Nutt is professor of neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London and chairs the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs

**Dzone** · 07-11-2011, 11:40 PM

Two thumbs up Ketsugo. Those studies touting alcohol as healthy are complete hogwash

**MxxC82** · 07-11-2011, 11:46 PM

i only wish i would have never ever touch the crap! i try to stay away from it as much as possible but i ever so slightly over indulge in it on occasion. And to think that alcoholism runs in my family makes it even worse on me when i do drink, and I know there is nothing healthy about it! Damn liquid devil!!!!!

**Dzone** · 07-12-2011, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by ketsugo

• Alcohol is a toxin that kills cells such as microorganisms, which is why we use it to preserve food and sterilise skin, needles etc. Alcohol kills humans too. A dose only four times as high as the amount that would make blood levels exceed drink-driving limits in the UK can kill. The toxicity of alcohol is worsened because in order for it to be cleared from the body it has to be metabolised to acetaldehyde, an even more toxic substance. Any food or drink contaminated with the amount of acetaldehyde that a unit of alcohol produces would be immediately banned as having an unacceptable health risk.

Wow!! Never thought about it like that before. It is TRUE. Alcohol kills you. Its a slow death and its glamorized everywhere in our culture. When I see booze commercials on TV I have to change the channel. I cant stand the lies. They imply that you cant have fun without beer. Anyone who has lost a family member to booze or has seen the dark side of booze knows what I am talking about. It is hard not to be disgusted.

**ketsugo** · 07-12-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dzone

Wow!! Never thought about it like that before. It is TRUE. Alcohol kills you. Its a slow death and its glamorized everywhere in our culture. When I see booze commercials on TV I have to change the channel. I cant stand the lies. They imply that you cant have fun without beer. Anyone who has lost a family member to booze or has seen the dark side of booze knows what I am talking about. It is hard not to be disgusted.

so true- great point- it is glamorized

**tiny** · 07-12-2011, 10:21 AM

I love drinking personally. years back I used to drink heavily, just for fun.

I have wised up and cut back dramatically. I don't drink during the winter months and during the summer I try to limit myself to two drinking sessions per month during parties, vacations, concerts and such.

I feel poisoned when I drink now, life is much better without it being a daily/weekly habit.

If I could turn back time, I would have kicked the habit much sooner.

**ketsugo** · 07-12-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by tiny

I love drinking personally. years back I used to drink heavily, just for fun.

I have wised up and cut back dramatically. I don't drink during the winter months and during the summer I try to limit myself to two drinking sessions per month during parties, vacations, concerts and such.

I feel poisoned when I drink now, life is much better without it being a daily/weekly habit.

If I could turn back time, I would have kicked the habit much sooner.

Im sorry to hear that

**daved150** · 07-12-2011, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by tiny

I love drinking personally. years back I used to drink heavily, just for fun.

I have wised up and cut back dramatically. I don't drink during the winter months and during the summer I try to limit myself to two drinking sessions per month during parties, vacations, concerts and such.

I feel poisoned when I drink now, life is much better without it being a daily/weekly habit.

If I could turn back time, I would have kicked the habit much sooner.

yea...i'm still at the "rather like it" stage!!! i'm good. i dont really drink in the winter, but in the summer, on the weekends, its whats going on. beaches, bar-b-q's, sun and ice cold coors light!!!

**badcompany487** · 07-12-2011, 04:20 PM

Im still having fun with it. But yet again im in my mid 20s. Im sure one day ill calm down. I took a year off last year and if it weren't for friends id have stayed sober

**daved150** · 07-12-2011, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by badcompany487

Im still having fun with it. But yet again im in my mid 20s. Im sure one day ill calm down. I took a year off last year and if it weren't for friends id have stayed sober

i dont understand this??? "year off"? you cant be related!!

**badcompany487** · 07-12-2011, 07:52 PM

Dude... wasn't by choice. You know this lol

**daved150** · 07-12-2011, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by badcompany487

Dude... wasn't by choice. You know this lol

yea, yea..... need to get a blood test done...i may need to beat a milk mans ass for my brother!!!

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