TweetGeesh, thats a hell of a write up. That flavor sounds delish. So what are 1,3 dmaa? Does that mimic a strong stimulant?
TweetA couple months back I kept hearing Mesomorph being brought up. I thought it was kind of odd, because I remember from years ago (probably 4 or so) this being one of the bigger pre-workouts at the time. I had used it and loved the stuff. Then came reformulations and other adjustments and it just seemed to fall out of the spotlight as other products came in. I think it's always still kind of been around, but to be honest, I'm not sure as I hadn't heard boo about it until somewhat recently.
Amongst all that chatter was the mention that it contained 1,3 dmaa -- which is/was big since it was "banned" not too far back. Whenever I tried a product with 1,3 in it for the first time (Jack3d -- close to 6 years ago), it was an indescribable feeling from a product -- that's for sure. Over time, I got more used to it as it was in more products. It didn't make it any less good; just not as earth-shattering as those first few times. As the "ban" took place and products and formulators moved on, I've found many great products and don't rely on the rush from 1,3 dmaa anymore these days.
But that doesn't mean I didn't still want to try it.
So I went out on a limb and picked up a tub. There are a handful of flavors to choose from and they all sound pretty good. But how do you pass on "Rocket Pop"?! I mean it has a picture of a popsicle on the container!
As soon as you open up the tub, you notice that it is a very, very fine powder -- the kind that can escape up into the air if you shake it and open it up too quickly. It's been years, so I could be mistaken, but I didn't remember it being nearly this fine and "light" years ago when I'd used it -- this is a good thing. You can even see different colors in there. I'm not sure if it's like this on other flavors or just this one, but it was like one of those beach wedding ceremonies where they mix the pink and blue sand together in one vase. It looked pretty cool, but figuring this may be flavoring or ingredients, I decided to pull the scoop out, shook it like crazy, waited momentarily, and opened it back up. That resulted in a good mixture of everything and more of a uniform purple color. It tended to stay like this for the next few days, too, so the separation may have just been from being shipped and sitting for such a long time.
You pick up on a bit of the scent from the powder, but you really notice it once you mix it up. It mixes in a shaker effortlessly. This is one of those products you could easily just toss into a glass of water, mix with a spoon and have it ready to drink -- I just always use shakers -- force of habit. The instructions call for 8-10 oz of water and I think I was at about 9 on the first attempt (with a bit of crushed ice in there, too -- I like to do that for my pre and intra drinks). It's been a long time since I've had a rocket pop, so I'm not sure how closely it resembled the flavor of one of those, but what I can say is that it tasted like cotton candy -- and that was good. I've had two cotton candy flavored supplements -- one from BPI and one from PES. Both are good, but I liked BPI's just a bit better (from a flavor perspective). This one falls somewhere right in between but closer to BPI (who also has a flavor called arctic ice and one called sno cone, so it may have been more like one of those -- regardless, they all taste really delicious). There is a really subtle aftertaste and I can't put my finger on exactly what it is; it takes away from the sweetness. It's not bad, just noticeable.
As far as performance goes, I have to say that I made the mistake of using my first attempt on an evening I wasn't going to the gym. I lifted that morning about 5 AM and had a pre-workout then, but had no caffeine the rest of the day and it was going on 6 PM and we were headed to dinner and then to do some Christmas shopping. I normally consume caffeine twice a day, so I figured, "well, this will give me a chance to sample this out."
I felt like I was going to murder the gas pedal while we drove into town.
It's been a good long while since I'd used 1,3 dmaa, so this was an experience for me. It wasn't jittery/hand shaking or anything like that, but man, was I amped. I told my wife that I wished so bad I was going to lift instead because I was ready to flip cars over in the parking lot. The energy and focus was strong, clean, and long lasting. It lasted several hours and then slowly transitioned out. Unlike experiences in the past with 1,3 products, there was no crash for me -- which was great.
I used it a couple days later for an early morning workout and it did exactly what I needed it to -- got me through a time I was dragging.
You've got 3 separate matrices in this product. The first is a 6.5g blend of beta alanine, citrulline malate, and AAKG. That would lead me to believe you're getting a little over 2g of each of those, or close to it. I'd love to have more citrulline in there, but it's not problematic at all. Next is a 4.5g matrix with 2 forms of creatine -- one of which is creatine nitrate -- agmatine, taurine, and COP. The inclusion of creatine nitrate and agmatine along with the citrulline makes for excellent pumps as well as endurance. The final matrix is 1.8g and is your stimulant/energy complex that includes the 1,3 dmaa.
All in all, I'm very impressed with this formula in addition to the flavoring. It was one of the more favorable experiences I've had with a "new" pre-workout and I'm glad to have it in my arsenal. I'm looking forward to sampling some other flavors and if/when I have a chance, I'll update in here (or if you have, feel free to let me know what your thoughts are -- especially if you feel very strongly in favor or against one).
This will sit in reserve for me, as using 1,3 dmaa on a very regular basis doesn't do so well for me and plus, the extra hit it gives me when being so long since I've used it is just wonderful.
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TweetGeesh, thats a hell of a write up. That flavor sounds delish. So what are 1,3 dmaa? Does that mimic a strong stimulant?
Tweetthe fda hasnt banned it yet they just sent out warnings to companies about it. their are still a handful of companies out there fighting the fda right now over this and they have products that contain it. me personally, i wouldnt use it. it is a great stim yes but it causes a much more dramatic vaso constriction than other stims do. that is the opposite of what we want in a pre workout product. yes some want to be cranked out of their minds but constricting blood flow is not a good thing for getting max blood into muscle. their are a couple articles out there about how serious the constriction is compared to other stims and it was enough for me not to use it anymore personally
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TweetIve really missed ephedra and strong stims because the stupid GOV bans anything thats good. I might try this stuff, i dont use preworkouts very often so the blood flow issue wouldnt hinder me much.
TweetMy issue with the strong stims is they destroy my appetite and if you can't eat you can't recover and grow.
TweetAwesome writeup mwb! Looking over this, this product has an amazing profile and it has dmaa, which is a must for me! im sold and going to try this next.Right now i used jack'd up but this profile looks a bit better, i need to see how i react to it
Tweetyea there are a select few companies that are standing up to the fda's warnings to stop selling dmaa based products but the list is small.hi tech is another company that sells dmaa based products
TweetYou should be a car salesman haha. That sounds pretty good. I can't take strong stims either tho. It makes me not want to eat and I can't sleep well
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Tweeti am pretty sure it is hit tech and two other companies that are suing the fda right now over the non ban issues and seizing of non banned substances. the gov is messed up and does whatever it wants, it is about time that the guys that have the funds and the backing can go back at them
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TweetI don't use and wont use pre-work outs ii go tot he gym after work at 5:30 or so and I have a hard enough time falling asleep and staying asleep I would even want to try this..
I've been doing a lot of reading on here about supplements and have learned a lot just by using the search button and reading some of the old post and a lot of things guns has posted and I think some should be a sticky.. my goal for 2016 was to take better care of myself with supplements and also add some when I got back in the gym and got back on aas.. not only the supplements but also try to eat better...
Tweetif you go back about 5 or 10 years ago i was the opposite of how i am now. someone would tell me something and i would try it with no health thoughts in mind whatsoever. if it worked i would roll with it for a while, if not i would drop it and move on to the next thing. i remember having tubs and tubs of ulitimate orange and all the other crazy back in the day preworkout stuff that would make the fda and our gov have a stroke over if we had it now. i have always been a big student of our sport and sucked down as much knowledge as possible but now i pay way more attention to side effects and health stuff. funny thing about a lot of the stims and stuff i used to be a stim junkie. i lived off the stuff every single day, then i did some research like i pointed out above and it can be counter productive to the actual end result we are after haha. young and dumb and loving being wide open. now i will use a stim based pre workout for a day or 2 a wk during a prep and every now and then off season. now i have a couple good espressos or strong coffee and i roll out. i love learning and figuring out new tricks and stuff from supps to diet and pretty much every aspect of what we do.
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Tweetlol I also took ulitimate orange.. and also hot stuff... I look at it this way you should be always open to learn if not you might find yourself left behind..
Tweethi-tech im sure they are.There might be another companies doing so, i assume if they are still producing dmaa in their products, they are taking some kind of action as well.
TweetFWIW, I've only used this 3 times since having it for over a month.
I'm not one who wants to be stimmed out on a regular basis. That said, there is an occasional use when it can be very handy (to me). So it's a nice one to have in the arsenal.
Generally speaking, I'm looking for a few ingredients in my pre:
- citrulline
- agmatine
- betaine
- beta alanine
- caffeine
- hydromax
I don't need all of them, but each of those serves a specific purpose.
But yeah, this tastes delicious and is a heck of a ride. Stims don't get me any trouble whatsoever sleeping. But when I lift at 5 AM, I love having more stims to get through work afterward lol.