TweetI wanna know this also.......

TweetThey make some N.O. products without caffeine or stims, i've tried a couple and from my experience they didn't didn't give as an intense pump as i would have liked. Maybe it was just those particular brands but i didnt care for them.

TweetHang tight! I will find some

TweetYay baby that's be sweet find the best one though if you can please

TweetStay tuned, I have many to share as soon as I get on my computer

TweetThose are my fav actually I like a good pump better than stims or sele I find myself trying to take 5 second breaks in between set. I wish I knew some solid no stim drinks the ones that give me a good pump still have some stims in it

TweetThis is a good topic! The focus part would be nice to have without the stim

TweetThis is a good topic! The focus part would be nice to have without the stim

TweetI would give hemavol pump x3 and dpol all a look. They give you a very nice pump. The drive needs to come from inside unless you wanna take stims.

TweetHere is what I have found:
I got this from TGB himself:

These are ones that he personally uses and also worksout late at night.

Iforce Hemavol

BSN N.O. Xplode Caffeine free

Dymatize Xpand 2.0 caffeine free

Cytosport Fast Twitch Caffeine free

* Also Agmatine by Nutrakey or MHP NO Bomb can be taken with powerade or gatorade before the gym for great pumps like a pre workout.

I personally serached for some things and came up with using beta- alnine pre workout . Lots od good info on it and you can purchase it, with all the others at

WWW.TGBSupplements.com
use the discounts codes to

hope that helps

TweetI workout out at night sometimes. I take a half scoop of Jack3D like 1-1.5 hours before the gym. I still have energy to power through what I need to do in weight, then get my cardio done. Come home eat, shower, then pass out! Ha ha!

TweetAll the I eq you posted as that state caffeine free still have stims just not caffeine. Be careful with those as they are less potent but might still keep you up. I do like the Xpand 2x it's good stuff.

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Originally Posted by jamescb77

All the I eq you posted as that state caffeine free still have stims just not caffeine. Be careful with those as they are less potent but might still keep you up. I do like the Xpand 2x it's good stuff.

Caffiene combined with the stims make it more potent. Some may still be sensitive to the stims alone but these are ones' that TGB uses himself and he works out in the eving. The beta-analine alone would be a good try for some then