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Originally Posted by ZOOT

New Scientific Review Links Autism to Use of Vaccines

Another awesome find brother.

Great to hear from yet ANOTHER who I guess you can call an EXPERT in the field showing a connection between the 2.

TweetToo much journalism, not enough peer reviewed science on this forum.

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Originally Posted by exphys88

Too much journalism, not enough peer reviewed science on this forum.

this is not a forum about science

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Originally Posted by baby1

this is not a forum about science

Really? That's sad that we don't encourage looking at our health from an objective, scientific perspective.

So, this place prefers health info from magazines?

TweetDr. Mercola needs to bone up on molecular biology, and this is why Americans need to get scientifically literate.

1. The title is "Theoretical aspects of autism...." Theoretical, theoretical We need Scientific data. Experiments. Clinical trials. Good ones....

2. . Ratajczak’s hypothesis is incredibly implausible on the basis of what we know about molecular biology and human biology: So let me give a molecular biology lesson.

Humane vaccine contain Human DNA, if it underwent homologous recombination, it would still be human DNA making human proteins. Yet Dr. Ratajczak claims that homologous recombination turns that cell into “altered self.” However, the body recognizes a cell as foreign or “altered” through the expression of its cell surface proteins. Consequently, the only likely currently known mechanism by which homologous recombination of human DNA from vaccines might conceivably result in such an autoimmunity phenomenon would be if the DNA from the vaccine somehow resulted in the expression of a foreign or altered protein on the cell surface that the immune system could recognize as foreign. That would mean either integrating into the gene for a cell surface protein or producing a cell surface protein itself. For this to happen spontaneously that would affect more than a single cell, is at most almost impossible. Just to do this with artificial vectors ( using viral vectors) is hard enough as it is!



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TweetThere weren’t even studies cited that convincingly supported Ratajczak’s assertions that this "homologous recombination" even exists.

Implying that correlation equals causation... that never works for real scientists.


She also concludes that the existing data support the hypothesis that human DNA in MMR II could be at least responsible for the “autism epidemic” through homologous recombination she cites a friggin anti-vaccine blog Child Health Safety as one of her references?

The date of the CHS entry cited is June 30, 2010. Look this up, all anyone can find is is that Merck’s Director of Vaccines and the U.S. government have admitted that vaccines cause autism all based on the long known science showing that a maternal case of rubella while carrying a fetus can result in autism in the child, something that’s been known for several decades and is in fact one reason why vaccination against rubella is so important.

How on earth did this get through peer review? I wish I could get my research published with such slack reviews.

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Originally Posted by bandaidwoman

Dr. Mercola needs to bone up on molecular biology, and this is why Americans need to get scientifically literate.

1. The title is "Theoretical aspects of autism...." Theoretical, theoretical We need Scientific data. Experiments. Clinical trials. Good ones....

2. . Ratajczak’s hypothesis is incredibly implausible on the basis of what we know about molecular biology and human biology: So let me give a molecular biology lesson.

Humane vaccine contain Human DNA, if it underwent homologous recombination, it would still be human DNA making human proteins. Yet Dr. Ratajczak claims that homologous recombination turns that cell into “altered self.” However, the body recognizes a cell as foreign or “altered” through the expression of its cell surface proteins. Consequently, the only likely currently known mechanism by which homologous recombination of human DNA from vaccines might conceivably result in such an autoimmunity phenomenon would be if the DNA from the vaccine somehow resulted in the expression of a foreign or altered protein on the cell surface that the immune system could recognize as foreign. That would mean either integrating into the gene for a cell surface protein or producing a cell surface protein itself. For this to happen spontaneously that would affect more than a single cell, is at most almost impossible. Just to do this with artificial vectors ( using viral vectors) is hard enough as it is!



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Hmmmm,so what is your theory on this..........


"Autism rates began to rapidly escalate between 1983 and 1990, from 4 in 10,000 to 1 in 500, at the same time as a new type of measles/mumps/rubella vaccine (i.e., MMR II) was released. It is important to note that this version of the MMR was different than previous versions in that it was propagated from human embryonic lung tissue—human DNA. It has been hypothesized that this human DNA contamination might explain the spikes in incidence."


Since we have and "need" these vaccinations so badly according to you,especially since they continue to nly cite the MMR vaccine (which has been proven time and again to be very bad,and you yourself state the same) could there not be a correlation between the two?

Also,how many studies with how many patients have you actually conducted yourself? Just wondering because Dr Helen Ratajczak according to this article did something that no one else has apparently bothered to do -- review the complete body of published science since autism was first described in 1943.

Here's another quote from the article............."Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines... she discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.”

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"Autism rates began to rapidly escalate between 1983 and 1990, from 4 in 10,000 to 1 in 500, at the same time as a new type of measles/mumps/rubella vaccine (i.e., MMR II) was released. It is important to note that this version of the MMR was different than previous versions in that it was propagated from human embryonic lung tissue—human DNA. It has been hypothesized that this human DNA contamination might explain the spikes in incidence."


"It is likely that skyrocketing autism rates have MULTIPLE causes, many of which tie into the large number of vaccines given to children at one time, and the fact that so many vaccines are now given to children during their first two years of life. In 1983, before the autism epidemic began, children received 10 vaccinations before entering school. Today, they are receiving 24 vaccines before the end of their first year—and 36 by the time they start school."


"Developed nations with poor infant mortality tend to give their children more doses of vaccines before age one, according to the latest scientific research. It's not just a "coincidence" that the infant mortality rate is twice as high in America as it is in Sweden and Japan, where half as many vaccinations are given to babies."

TweetWhat about Genetics as an Explanation for Autism?

There is solid evidence that genetics is a major component of "traditional" autism, as evidenced by the twin studies Ratajckak cites. Prior to 1980, genetics probably accounted for most of the cases. But genetics accounts for only 1 to 2 percent of the cases of autism we see today. If one identical twin has autism, there is a 90 percent likelihood that the other will develop autism. However, if one fraternal twin has autism, there is only a 2 to 3 percent chance that the other will develop it.

This points to autism as a neurodevelopmental syndrome for which there is no single major genetic cause, but rather many different genes and mutations.

Furthermore, no one has been able to identify one single "autism gene." And there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic—so no way to explain today's autism explosion as a function of genetics. The majority of autism cases appear to result from the activation, or "expression," of a number of different genes and multiple epigenetic and environmental factors that interact to express autism traits.

TweetThe Need for a Paradigm Shift for Autism

Autism has traditionally been regarded as a psychiatric and neurological disease, whose pathology was confined to the brain. But as autism cases have escalated, it is now obvious that it's a multi-faceted, whole body disease that has effects reaching far beyond brain and behavior. For example, bowel disorders are a very common in those with autism, yet "experts" continue to deny the existence of a connection. If we are to slow down this raging freight train of an epidemic, a paradigm shift is needed in how this disease is viewed, particularly in light of new evidence about the mechanisms underlying it.

It is important to realize that, while I believe vaccines are an important contributor to autism, they clearly aren't the only factor. In her pilgrimage through the literature, Ratajckak cites evidence for the following potential causes and factors contributing to today's autism epidemic. (For details on any of these, please refer to her original article.)

Mitochondrial disease and dysfunction	Medications used by a woman in pregnancy can alter brain development of her unborn child (evidence exists for Misoprostol, valproic acid, acetaminophen, and of course thalidomide)
Immunosuppression related to pregnancy, prenatal development, and increased susceptibility to infection, possibly due to a defective blood-brain barrier	Abnormal regulation of brain growth
Imbalance of neural systems—between excitation and inhibition in key neural systems, including the cerebral cortex	Excessively high fetal testosterone levels
Environmental toxins such as xenobiotics, phthalates, PCBs, organophosphate pesticides, herbicides, perchlorates, trihalomethanes, aluminum and mercury	Viruses such as measles, herpes simplex virus, varicella, cytomegalovirus and Stealth virus, which can cause encephalitis that can later result in autism; some of these viruses can persist in your body by hiding inside monocytes, inducing chronic inflammation

When you look through that list, the causes may appear to be "all over the map." Yet, dedicated scientists have suspected there must be some common thread, some underlying mechanism or process explaining the degenerative brain changes seen in autism. Finally, it seems that a Russian neurologist has found a concept which may put all the pieces together very nicely. That physician is Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride and she has published a book called Gut and Psychology Syndrome (GAPS) which carefully documents her approach.

I was fortunate enough to do an interview with her that I would strongly encourage you to review as she does a masterful job of explaining how an impairment in a woman's gut flora due to antibiotic and birth control exposure, along with a poor diet is then transferred to the children she has. This impairment in gut flora then makes her children sitting ducks for autism.

Fortunately there are tests that can identify the sub groups who are at risk for developing these brain injuries. Dr. Campbell-McBride has developed an extensive recovery protocol that has helped many thousands of autistic children recover. Like most therapies in autism, the sooner the program is implemented the more likely the program will be effective.

No one knows for sure, but I believe that the gut flora imbalance that Dr. Campbell-McBride discusses is responsible for the biochemical physiology that Dr. Blaylock so eloquently explains below.

TweetA Biochemical Explanation for the Theory of Autism: Microglial Activation

Russell Blaylock, M.D. is a board certified neurosurgeon and an expert on the subject of excitotoxins and how they relate to nervous system disease. He may have found the central mechanism, making possible a "unified theory" of the cause of autism.Blaylock has been writing extensively about autism and other neurodegenerative diseases for the past decade and has proposed a theory about the cause of autistic spectrum disorders.

Blaylock attributes autism to excessive and prolonged microglial activation, with an interaction between inflammatory cytokines and glutamate receptors. His own research is supported by a very comprehensive study by Vargas et al in 2005, which found elevated inflammatory cytokines, as well as the presence of extensive, widespread activated microglia and astrocytes, in the brains of autistic individuals aged 5 years to 44 years.

TweetBandaidowman,what im cinfused by is your lack to even look into these EXPERTS OF THE FIELD'S studies and jsut dismiss it so easily.You have stated that they have "theories" but thats what ALL scientists have until they prove somethng enough times for it to be made fact in their minds unti lthey come up with another "theory" thats differs from their previos one (now called fact by them) and change their current data.

Thats all science is...theroies from scienctists that they eventually turn into what they feel everyone should consider as "fact" until they then again change it when new more accurate data for the time comes along.

The problem in my mind is autism has been around for how long and hasnt been cured yet correct?? So obviously pardon my french,the current scientific theories suck!!! Obviously the scientists making these claims against these other "EXPERTS THERORIES" in my opinion would at least start to studt them themsleves to prove or disprove them firsthand or to even further expand upon them? Doesnt that make sense to everyone? Wouldn't that be the next logial step in your mind??

Same with every other disease that MULTI BILLIONS OF $$ have been put into research by these "so-called sceintific experts" and we still have them!! We can clone people and alter their dna and genetic make up but we cant find cures for these things???

I dont know sweety,im still inclined to believe that there are MONEY OMTIVES more in play than actually finding cures to these MULTI BILLION $$ INDUSTRIES!! Maybe im wrong,and they really do want to stop making billions and really help people.Maybe the world is a caring,loving place that doesnt care about money and really do want to all become Ghandi's and just help people. Ahhh,what a beautiful thought.Just not reality!

If it were,they would more look into other treatments and cures and have open minds to other experts that are studying these things and coming up with WORKING,CASE PROVEN THEROIES and stop pushing the ones that obviously arent doing shit!!

TweetHere's more from Dr Russell Blaylock (you know,the board certified neurosurgeon and an expert on the subject of excitotoxins and how they relate to nervous system disease...............

Ok, now in English…
Your Brain's Special Immune Cell—the Microglia

For a long time no one considered the effect of repeated vaccinations on your brain. This was based on a mistaken conclusion that your brain was protected from immune activation by its special protective gateway called the blood-brain barrier. More recent studies have shown that immune cells can enter your brain directly—and more importantly, your brain's own special immune system can be activated by vaccination.

In order to understand this, you must first understand that your brain has a special immune system that operates through unique cells called microglia. These tiny cells are scattered throughout your brain, lying dormant and waiting to be activated by a variety of stimuli. Vaccines are a very powerful activating agent for microglia.

Numerous studies have shown that when your immune system is activated, your brain's immune cells are likewise activated.

This occurs by several pathways, which are beyond the scope of this discussion. The more powerfully your immune system is stimulated, the more intense is your brain's reaction. Prolonged activation of your body's immune system likewise produces prolonged activation of your brain's immune system. The latest studies reveal that pathological activation can continue for months, years, or even decades. Therein lies the danger of our present vaccine policy.

What Happens When Your Brain's Immune System is Activated?

Once activated, your brain's immune cells (microglia) begin to move about your nervous system, like amoebae, secreting numerous immune chemicals (cytokines and chemokines) and pouring out an enormous amount of free radicals in an effort to kill invading organisms. The problem is, there are no invading organisms. But the vaccine has tricked your body into believing there are!

Your microglia also secrete two chemicals that are very destructive to your brain cells and their biological processes: Glutamate and quinolinic acid. These chemicals are called excitotoxins—chemicals that cause exaggerated and continuous stimulation of your brain, thereby damaging your neurons. Microglia also dramatically increase free radical generation. Studies have shown that glutamate and quinolinic acid can rise to very dangerous levels in your brain following viral and bacterial brain infections.

The problem with so many vaccines is that your brain's immune system is constantly activated and re-activated. This means your brain will be exposed to large amounts of excitotoxins, as well as cytokines, on a continual basis.

Your Immune System's Collateral Damage, or "Bystander Injury"

Studies involving people with neurodegenerative disorders, such as autism, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's disease, have shown high levels of cytokines and excitotoxins in the nervous system. These destructive chemicals, as well as the free radicals they generate, cause a process called "bystander injury"—kind of like throwing a bomb into a crowd. Not only will some be killed directly by the blast, but those far out along the explosion radius will be killed by flying shrapnel.
Normally, your brain's immune system activates quickly and then promptly shuts off to minimize the bystander damage. But vaccination won't let the microglia shut down.

In infants and young children, the damage is compounded by the fact that their brains are still developing—as are their immune systems. For example, before birth, infants' immune systems are designed to withstand being rejected by their mothers' body, since a baby is seen as a "foreign body" by his mother's immune system. Mother Nature has designed the fetal immune system specifically for that situation. And it isn't immediately transformed upon birth—it takes time. Dr. Blaylock discusses this at length in his article about the dangers of excessive vaccination during brain development.

Studies confirm that babies do not respond to vaccines in the same way as adults, even by one year of age.

In your child's developing brain, immune over-activation has been shown to be particularly damaging to the amygdala and other limbic structures. In essence, what is lost is that which makes us social human beings, able to function in a complex world of ideas and interactions—and this is what is lost with autism. What we see is a vicious cycle of immune activation, excitotoxin and cytokine excretion, and free radical production. The latter starts the cycle all over again.

The "Priming" of Your Brain's Immune System

Certain children appear to have a higher risk for developing autism than others, for a variety of reasons. Their immune systems are more easily "primed." Many of these children develop infections at a higher rate than less vulnerable children, which may be due to a hidden developmental immunodeficiency. For example, many physicians treating autistic children have noted a higher incidence of ear infections. Many of these children then end up with Candida infections as a result of antibiotic treatment. Also, cytomegalovirus is a powerful virus that commonly infects newborns and small children, especially if they are immunosuppressed.
Any of these infections will "prime" the microglia, shifting these normally resting cells into overdrive. Microglia can also be primed by:

• Vaccines
• Heavy metal toxicity
• Pharmaceutical drugs
• Exposure to excitotoxins in the environment, such as pesticides, fluoride, mercury, and aluminum, and MSG
• Central nervous system trauma

Once primed, if microglia are stimulated again within weeks or even months, they generate extremely high levels of free radicals, lipid peroxidation products, inflammatory cytokines and two potent excitotoxins, glutamate and quinolinic acid. All it takes is the insult of ONE more vaccine, or ONE more infection, and the stage is set for the autism cascade.

Studies have shown that this is the MAJOR mechanism for both viral and vaccine-related brain injury.
I should note here that microglial activation is not limited to autism. Activation of microglia has been found to be a factor in a growing list of diseases, including:

• Alzheimer's disease
• Parkinson's disease
• ALS
• Multiple sclerosis (MS)
• HIV-associated dementia

Microglial activation is also a major player in many types of brain disease, and vaccines are a powerful trigger for it.