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Originally Posted by exphys88

I hear about this all the time from shitty magazines like natural news.

For those of you that buy this crap can you please clarify some things for me?

1. Explain the physiological process of detoxifying the liver. Exactly what are the toxins that get stuck, how are they stuck in the liver and how are they removed?

2. What is the process in which toxins are measured pre and post detoxifying that prove toxins have been removed?

I AM GOING TO BED BUT i WILL HAVE INFO FOR YOU.

Liver Function

The liver is the major detoxification organ in the body. According to Arthur Guyton's "Textbook of Medical Physiology," the liver breaks down all externally-produced chemicals, as well as your body's own hormones, so that they can be easily excreted from the body. Additionally, over half of the body's lymph fluid is produced in the liver. The lymphatic system is responsible for healthy immune function, as well as acting as your body's internal janitor, collecting cellular waste products for elimination. A well-functioning liver keeps the blood cleansed of toxins and chemicals, allowing you to feel your very best.


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TweetI already know what the liver does, I'm asking for proof that it needs detoxifying.
There is no way to measure toxin levels pre and post detox and the term detox has no physiological explanation. Therefore it's just a hypothesis w no evidence that you're actually accomplishing anything.

Tweethttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22297655/

Tweethttps://www.livescience.com/947-colon...ey-toilet.html

Tweethttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9252839/

TweetSo are you suggesting that organs in your body cannot get overworked and need detoxing? Im not follwing your comical post? Im no "scientist" as you are so I dont understand how this process works but I do know that ANY organ in your body can get damaged from external sources of abuse and need to be treated to remedy this damage.I dont know about the science behind it,nor do I know how to split an atom but that doesnt mean those 2 are no real.

You comically calling out people here asking the "scince behind this idea" is for what reason? If you dont believe that your liver or any other organ can get overworked,thats up to you but insulting others that do just shows how little you are.

"Buy this crap"..............."Shitty Magazines"......."Clarify it for you"??????????? LMFAO.Yes professor,we'll all start our term papers on it and turn it in for your review.LMFAO.

You're a cute little guy!

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Originally Posted by exphys88

I already know what the liver does, I'm asking for proof that it needs detoxifying.
There is no way to measure toxin levels pre and post detox and the term detox has no physiological explanation. Therefore it's just a hypothesis w no evidence that you're actually accomplishing anything.

well guess what when fuzo and and I detox are liver or what other organ it may be we feel better are bodys act betterwe sleep better.So dont down play what was posted just because you think its wrong or not scientific.Works for millions of americans

Tweeti thought the liver had to do with enzyme count ...........But i know nothing about this?

TweetSMH..this is good enough for me

The liver cleanses the bloodstream by 2 mechanisms –
1. It is a mechanical filter consisting of spaces (sinusoids) lined by the fenestrated endothelium. As the blood flows through the liver sinusoids, the toxins pass through the fenestrated endothelium into the space of Disse and then into the liver cells. The liver sinusoidal system removes the debris (unhealthy cells, immune complexes, micro-organisms etc).

2. The phase one and two detox pathways. A series of enzyme reactions in your liver cells convert toxins into a less harmful state, so that they can be excreted. You can read about the detox pathways in the liver here

So if the liver can cleanse the bloodstream, the liver should be able to cleanse itself and is in no need of extra help – right? Or is the liver filter like the air and oil filters of an engine which need regular cleansing and maintenance. If these filters become dirty, blocked and over worked they malfunction and eventually the engine breaks down.
Well this is what happens in the body and eventually an overloaded or “dirty liver filter” can cause wide ranging symptoms of poor health in the body.

What can overload or impair the liver’s ability to detoxify? –
1. High exposure to environmental toxins, alcohol, heavy metals, and/or certain medications – there is an unprecedented amount of chemicals that are integrating themselves into our environment – dyes from printing, hair colours, plastics, alkyl-phenols, PCBs, phthalates, paints, insecticides – thousands of tons of these chemicals go into the environment around the world every year and get into the food chain. The effects of these chemicals are not fully studied. An enormous amount of research literature associating toxin exposure to disease has been published and current estimates suggest that up to nearly $800 billion is spent in the US and Canada every year on toxicity-related diseases.

2. Generation of excess free radicals from immune complexes or viruses. People with allergies and autoimmune diseases have an immune system that is continually spilling out inflammatory chemicals. These chemicals and immune cells eventually make their way to the liver where they can overwork it. Infection with viruses, bacteria or parasites also places a strain on the immune system. Plus these infectious agents release a number of their own toxins.

3. Fatty infiltration of the liver, and we all know that the condition fatty liver is now an epidemic. When fat infiltrates the liver it can displace healthy liver cells. Fat in the liver can damage liver cells, promote inflammation in the liver and cause raised liver enzymes. The majority of toxins are fat soluble; if you have a fatty liver it is like a magnet for toxins.

4. Nutritional deficiencies of vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, essential fatty acids, and sulphur bearing amino acids that are required for the detox pathways in the liver. Poor diet, trans fatty acids & excess sugar can inhibit phase one and two pathways. Excess caffeine stimulates too fast phase one detoxification; this is a problem because free radicals build up in the liver before they enter the phase two pathway.

5. Enzyme polymorphisms. These are genetic conditions where there is a deficiency or abnormality in an enzyme required for proper detoxification.

6. Leaky gut syndrome. This is an extremely common condition whereby the intestinal lining becomes more permeable than it should be, allowing bacteria, toxins and undigested food into the bloodstream. These substances then pass directly to the liver.

7. Medications. Several medications can either inhibit or modify detox enzymes eg. anti-histamines, cimetidine and some antidepressants.

8. Ageing. This results in slower detox pathways.

These factors can cause –
1. The intracellular organelles (mitochondria, ribosomes, endoplasmic reticulum etc) and the cell membranes of the liver cells to become damaged and also can result in less healthy liver cells left in place to do the work of detoxification.

2. The unhealthy fat in a fatty liver may inflame and distort the liver cells and compromise the structural and functional integrity of the delicate filtering system of the sinusoidal endothelium.

3. Inefficient action of the phase one and two detox pathways.

In such cases the liver detox pathways can become easily over loaded and toxins build up in the liver – this can be described in lay terms as a “dirty liver”.
We get a build up of toxins in the liver and especially the fat soluble toxins which accumulate in the fatty liver and other fatty areas of the body.
Thus the dirty liver becomes in need of a good cleanse.

TweetSo I am taking this thread as towards me , because I am the one here who post daily info from "Natural News". Everyone has different beliefs and so what works for them. I have had things done to me that were "scientifically proven to work" and they failed. thus leading me to other ways of helping myself. let's respect each others ways of life and not ridicule them. If one wants proof, then go search for it.

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Originally Posted by juiceman

i thought the liver had to do with enzyme count ...........But i know nothing about this?

The liver has to do with even moret han that and just because enzymes counts appear normal, that is not a guarantee that the liver is all good.

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Originally Posted by baby1

So I am taking this thread as towards me , because I am the one here who post daily info from "Natural News". Everyone has different beliefs and so what works for them. I have had things done to me that were "scientifically proven to work" and they failed. thus leading me to other ways of helping myself. let's respect each others ways of life and not ridicule them. If one wants proof, then go search for it.

Agreed 100%!! Its sad and unfortunate that if anyones beiliefs are not the same as someone elses its called crap!!! The even more sad part is that just becasue some nerd wrote something saying its so its taken blindly by others without ever trying to prove it or disprove it for themselves!! Lab studies can NEVER give you 100% proof that something will work or not,will give you a reaction or not, or even kill you or not for 100 of the population! Once again,how many things have scientists stated as fact throughout history only to be debunked later??? Cutting peoples skulls open were "fact" as far as these experts knew at one time.The world was flat as far as these experts knew as fact at one time.Earth was the center of the universe as far as these experts knew as fact at one time!! Shall we continue?? What some lab rat says if fact today unfoortunately can and most liely will be proven as false tomorrow.

Now aside from the errors made by these "experts" you have to of course factor in motives!! Anyone who thinks Big Pharma and Corporate America control what is let out for people to believe is sadly mistaken and just plain naive!! We've seen time and time again BLATANT LIES being spewed out by these idiots getting rich from those lies only to be found out later.How many medicinces that are made legal by the FDA have far worse negative side effects that what you are taking them for???ALL OF THEM!! And guess what,all of these prescription meds were researched and studied by these same idiots,oops I mean scientists stating that they are safe!!! That is until numerous people get sick or die from them than they are pulled off the market.That is once they have ANOTHER dangerous prescription med to fill its place and the cycle goes on and on!!! If no-one watches tv and sees these commercials for these meds and listens to the possible side effects,which many times can be death,you may want to start listening and start asking HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD THAT MED BE MADE LEGAL????


The answer is MONEY!!!! The Big Pharma companies are the ones doing these studies and allowing only the information THEY WANT to come out while this med makes them money.Then ONLY AFTER so many hace suffered from those meds do they pull it off the market with a new one to fill its place!! The same Big Pharma compaines doing this research are the ones getting information about these products to doctors as well as the public.Doctors know the research that these companies put out there! Just because someone is a doctor doesnt mean they have magical powers and just know what every med out there can do to a person.They know what they are told to know from Big Pharma!! Think about it,do you really think a doctor is doing his/her own in house research and studies on each and every med out there or do they get the information let out by the ones making the product and funding the research???

Come on guys,thats capitalism at its finest! There no real owrld Dr Quinn's out there,at least very very little.Do you really think that money is not the driving force of all of this? If this is really what you think,than
let go back to the same old question than........WHY ARE CIGARETTES AND ALCOHOL LEGAL AND STEROIDS ARE NOT??? If the gov't and doctors and all the pwoers that be really care about our health and not money than why are these PROVEN KILLERS OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE EACH YEAR LEGAL????? You guessed it.............MONEY!!!

Why are all the PROVEN NATURAL CURES AND REMEDIES AND TREATMENTS NOT MORE UTILIZED????? MONEY!!! Funny how cancer treatment centers are now offering NATURAL TREATMENTS for curing cancer when not too long ago these same centers were saying that natural treatments didnt work and there are still idiots today saying they dont have enough research proving they work!! LMFAO.They dont work but now the biggest ancer treatment centers in the world are all offering natural treatmments! I guess they didnt get the memos that theres no proof that they work.Only "TESTIMONIALS"

And back to the sbject of not needing your liver detoxed,tell that to all the alcoholics dying each year from liver desease.They must be the ones reading the 20 or so studies saying that the liver does not have to be detoxed!!!



Keep psoting up all the natural news darlin.Anyone with a brain and lives in the real world and actually tries things for themselves proving it or disproving it through actual real life pracice loves reading it and will continue to look for these "testimonials" LMAO.

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Originally Posted by baby1

So I am taking this thread as towards me , because I am the one here who post daily info from "Natural News". Everyone has different beliefs and so what works for them. I have had things done to me that were "scientifically proven to work" and they failed. thus leading me to other ways of helping myself. let's respect each others ways of life and not ridicule them. If one wants proof, then go search for it.

i love your posts baby1 and i am not kissing your ass either. i have learned and use a couple tricks that i have gotten from some of them also.